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03:32 Wed 13 Apr 16 (BST)  [Link]  
reduce the leagues

thats my opinion

if i get booted for that so be it...its my aim!
hippesville
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11:31 Wed 13 Apr 16 (BST)  [Link]  
reduce the leagues

thats my opinion

if i get booted for that so be it...its my aim!

It has been a while!!!
dgeneratio
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16:16 Wed 13 Apr 16 (BST)  [Link]  
Heres an idea guys.

In GSC in FCL have 6 frames of US, UK and 9 Ball as its increased format as other types are increased.

Plus it bugs me how you can't draw in FCL, doesn't bother me much in main but feel in GSC, they need to be a draw possible.

Thoughts
buckjam
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17:38 Wed 13 Apr 16 (BST)  [Link]  
Heres an idea guys.

In GSC in FCL have 6 frames of US, UK and 9 Ball as its increased format as other types are increased.

Plus it bugs me how you can't draw in FCL, doesn't bother me much in main but feel in GSC, they need to be a draw possible.

Thoughts


Yes absolutely .............if I had the first clue what you saying but yeah awesome
dgeneratio
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17:40 Wed 13 Apr 16 (BST)  [Link]  
Heres an idea guys.

In GSC in FCL have 6 frames of US, UK and 9 Ball as its increased format as other types are increased.

Plus it bugs me how you can't draw in FCL, doesn't bother me much in main but feel in GSC, they need to be a draw possible.

Thoughts


Yes absolutely .............if I had the first clue what you saying but yeah awesome


1st to 10 or 9-9, 6 of each
_knightmare_
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17:47 Wed 13 Apr 16 (BST)  [Link]  
What's the point in there being a draw possible in the FCL? There shouldn't be a draw possible in any fixture. One Winner and one Runner up. Overall scores can draw that's fair enough but individually nah..I don't like that idea

There could maybe be like a bonus point awarded to the losing team (for the lower ranked ones) if the overall scores fall between 0-5 points IF teams were seeded I guess.

But nah draws decide zilch. Might as well not bother to play it you'll still be technically on a draw 0-0 from the start.
i_am_noob
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17:48 Wed 13 Apr 16 (BST)  [Link]  
What's the point in there being a draw possible in the FCL? There shouldn't be a draw possible in any fixture. One Winner and one Runner up. Overall scores can draw that's fair enough but individually nah..I don't like that idea

There could maybe be like a bonus point awarded to the losing team (for the lower ranked ones) if the overall scores fall between 0-5 points IF teams were seeded I guess.

But nah draws decide zilch. Might as well not bother to play it you'll still be technically on a draw 0-0 from the start.


I agree. Should be a winner. Draws are annoying. I like the idea of a tie breaker in all competitions if a draw comes to be.
dgeneratio
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17:52 Wed 13 Apr 16 (BST)  [Link]  
What's the point in there being a draw possible in the FCL? There shouldn't be a draw possible in any fixture. One Winner and one Runner up. Overall scores can draw that's fair enough but individually nah..I don't like that idea

There could maybe be like a bonus point awarded to the losing team (for the lower ranked ones) if the overall scores fall between 0-5 points IF teams were seeded I guess.

But nah draws decide zilch. Might as well not bother to play it you'll still be technically on a draw 0-0 from the start.


But other types in GSC can have draws, may as well make the others non draws too.

9 Ball - 13 Racks
8 - 11 Racks
SL - If a tie, 1 of each with no bonus
Str - 5 Racks

In Grand Slam you need a draw in every type or not at all

Edited at 17:43 Wed 13/04/16 (BST)
_knightmare_
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17:59 Wed 13 Apr 16 (BST)  [Link]  
You think I posted I'll re-consider my offer due to people disagreeing??? Really? No chance! Life is full of people disagreeing with each other and it would be very boring if we all did.

I'm reconsidering my offer for many reasons, disagreements aren't even a factor.

I'm not that shallow & fickle.
dgeneratio
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18:06 Wed 13 Apr 16 (BST)  [Link]  
Yup i do but lets look at the current GSC setup.

FCL - 5 of each (Draw impossible, 8-7)
SL - 4 of each + Bonuses (Draw possible, 6-6 minimum)
9 - 12 Racks (Draw possible, 6-6)
US - 10 Racks (Draw possible, 5-5)
UK - 10 Racks (Draw possible, 5-5)
STR - 4 Racks (Draw possible, 2-2)

so only FCL you can't tie so it is unbalanced.
_knightmare_
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18:13 Wed 13 Apr 16 (BST)  [Link]  
I said did I not:
"There shouldn't be a draw possible in any fixture. One Winner and one Runner up."

You specifically mentioned the FCL so my reply was to that but I agree mate. No draws should be possible in ANY fixture (Individually).

Overall Team draws yeah but even that could be a tie breaker like noob said and the Captains play it lol.

dgeneratio
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18:18 Wed 13 Apr 16 (BST)  [Link]  
Yeah was mocking what you said other day because someone disagreed with lowering player cap then you threatened not to help anymore so was doing it back

I meant Grand Slam FCL Only because rest are ties, i would leave the actual FCL alone
hippesville
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00:28 Thu 14 Apr 16 (BST)  [Link]  
I hear ya J, maybe should be 4 of each for GSC
dgeneratio
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01:09 Thu 14 Apr 16 (BST)  [Link]  
yeah either works, either make GSC, win only or possible to draw in all types. just makes it more balanced, understood about FCL's ancient format but in others in GSC frames have been increased so FCL should too. Normal FCL no reason to change that though
buckjam
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03:55 Thu 14 Apr 16 (BST)  [Link]  
O.....M.....G
i_am_noob
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23:30 Thu 14 Apr 16 (BST)  [Link]  
Yup i do but lets look at the current GSC setup.

FCL - 5 of each (Draw impossible, 8-7)
SL - 4 of each + Bonuses (Draw possible, 6-6 minimum)
9 - 12 Racks (Draw possible, 6-6)
US - 10 Racks (Draw possible, 5-5)
UK - 10 Racks (Draw possible, 5-5)
STR - 4 Racks (Draw possible, 2-2)

so only FCL you can't tie so it is unbalanced.


That's how the actual competitions are too though. And since there are 2 fcl matches it evens out.
horse10000
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23:16 Mon 25 Apr 16 (BST)  [Link]  
Looks like we are going to be down to 5 clans next season so am open to suggestions as to how we can change things to make clans enjoyable and try and tempt players back to play in the future.

Reducing clan numbers will create no new teams as clans will only lose the players who are inactive and space fillers so any clan created would be unreliable.

Reducing number of players in FCL would lose the last true long format which is the true mark on which clan is the best.

Still think clan killer is the best true team game, do we try a killer league where all clans play each other?

SL and FBL though unpopular with some there is upsets due to short format yet over the season it has shown that the top clans still rise to the top but not as straight forward as they do in FCL.

Do we run FCL and cup together then switch and run FBL and SL together after as players may want to create small teams for short format only? Might lose players by doing this if they prefer long or short formats.
immortal
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23:19 Mon 25 Apr 16 (BST)  [Link]  
Killer league sounds like it could be fun and it is something new. Never been big on killer in clans but been enjoying it lately and that could be fun for many.

Im not really fussed if it runs all leagues together to be honest but what you said above is do able but as you said could lose some players doing that.
faust
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23:23 Mon 25 Apr 16 (BST)  [Link]  
Love the idea of a killer league, run the same way with a default time if clans can't agree.

Agree 100% that FCL should always be 8 v 8 and unchanged. I personally think the leagues cater too much towards the short format now, and I much preferred FBL the way it was. I think I can say this without bias considering we won the FBL.

As for the 5 teams, I think we're all dismayed about that. Maybe if Jay or someone was up for it, they could be allowed to run with a core of 8 players, and have permission to loan players from other sides, as long as the fixtures didn't directly affect their parent sides? I think common sense would have to come into play and it would be exclusively fringe players. We couldn't for example loan corsair to a team playing Phoenix. Maybe relies upon the integrity of captains too much but it would be workable in theory.

*edit*

Myself and Ash could both play every fixture for this hypothetical team if it happened, as we're basically sub only for our own clans.

Edited at 20:27 Mon 25/04/16 (BST)
_knightmare_
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00:45 Tue 26 Apr 16 (BST)  [Link]  
Can't we have an FCL reduced to 6 vs 6 (2 subs) and Teams have 2 sides so utilising the whole 16 players. Those who do not have 16 players have the accessibility to play a Wild Card player but can only win half points etc.

I'd like to Enter 2 sides in to the FCL therefore playing the entire squad and it replicating the fun and enjoyment we have with the FBL and SL.

So instead of only having 5 teams we in fact have 10.

The reason myself and faust do not play is we aren't obligated too, IF that wasn't a possibility then we'd have no choice but to play.
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