As for the forces thing though, it was Dee's call to do it that way, i recommended splitting on activity but Dee wanted a side who could challenge for the title so as she is Captain and i didn't want to be, we went with Dee's method.

Plus, that dispensation given to us allowed us to field and continue to field 3 teams. We are the only team that actively supported below average players. They did great and finished their matches before the other 2 teams on most occasions. Most of the players that leave clans at the end of the season are the seasoned proffesionals, people that have played for years. That means we have to encourage players like this guy faust was touting earlier. Any quality of player needs to be offered a spot. By having 3 small teams we can do that.
We need to have 3 teams in the FBL and SL for this to happen. Special dispensation must be handed out where necessary to enable this to happen. I think captains should be allowed to sub into any match in any team for the first 2 sets of FBL and upto the playoffs in SL. Most captains dont play that often so are not grade A players (save zante ) That effectively means you can compete with just 10 players total.

Captains (including myself) should be required to play a minimum amount of fixtures per season tho - including VC's.

If you had 3 teams from 5 clans that gives you 15 teams. In the playoffs the 15 drops to 8. Then 1st plays 8th, 2nd vs 7th and so on.

The FBL drop in size after the first 2 sets again by either splitting the league in half or just dropping the last 7 teams.

Oh come on Eri. Thats a bit ott!! We dont know where they live

And we put a bunch of captains in our so called "B" team and they ended up winning the league :) so i wouldnt underestimate captains :)

Ah yeah but im talking about having fun. The fact that your team is filled with 16 top level players of which some of them had to be captains or vices. You lot are the exception. We dont even look at the top of the table anymore. The winners of the FCL were DFE and the winners of FBL were FPD B. You lot dont count.Just making up the numbers

Sounds good Jamie mate but for two seasons i have struggled with two teams so unless Dee would be prepared to enter three, i wouldn't be able to do it, too much risk of folding, I know Keith allows circumstances for three teams but it would be too much of a gamble for our clan and potentially more work for runners too removing results (or default every game by Max Points).

Personally i would like to enter one team based on past experience, i know what Keith is saying about tactical placements however, Best 4 vs Top teams so one team may not be an option (unless you limit the top players to 50% of the fixture then you have to put in not so good players).

If two is minimum though then me personally i wouldn't risk 3 teams. I could maybe if the sub rule got lifted and i could ask people with no consequences but the sub rule works and i like it as well so not an option for us to have three i don't think

^ Not related to other discussion just a general idea

Ok so you go for 1 team and play real safe. Most of the time you would have 10 players min. I know it can drop below that but not often and if it did then again special dispensation is required. It must be!!

If you go with 2 teams then you have no real dispensation as you decided on two and you will tend to put your best in one team to give you a shout. That ends up in the situation you are in right now. No special dispensation cause your best players didnt show. Team b was fine right? Right, because they just like to play.

3 teams means you get special dispensation in that your captain or a pre determined player gets to sub into all three matches if needed.That means a maximum of 10 is required if you are in trouble. No different to N0. 1 in my opinion but gives you more options.

If and and only if the league does get quieter and we lose more players we need to find ways to keep it going without changing the structure to much. A little bit more flexibility but the same for all.

Jumping in here, just a thought.......for FBL/SL,assuming most Clans choose to have 2 Teams, could Captains start with 4 players (ideally active ones!) for each fixture, and then as fixture progresses, add other players from their team where needed.
Maybe sounds complicated the way I've explained it, or, is just too far out there lol

In a way it would nearly let each team pick itself by adding more active players to A or B Teams.

The idea in my head means that you have 5/6/7/8 players not yet affiliated to A or B and gives Captain time to assess where to place rest of players.

Amma go crawl back under my rock now lol

That's moronic, as everyone in our team is a captain or a vice captain! lol

I've been saying it season after season that each captain should play the other captain of each team for bonus points just to mix it up

How can it work though? This season, arguably me, Eri, Zante and even yourself have been the main captain - and we let the entire team have vice status. If it was for extra points, we'd just appoint our best player captain from the off!!!

Yer would only work if there was one sole captain appointed

ah well

appoint one captain and one vice, for DFE i'm guessing Dee Capt, Me Vice from this season. Keith monitors for top players being Captains and can disallow them.

From what i can see from threads:

FPD: Capt Buckjam, Vice Klien
CB: Capt Connor, Vice Karl
BS: Capt Huts, Vice Mikee
PHO: Capt Ash, Vice Friendy
UPR: Capt Stu, Vice Zante OR Eri
DFE: Capt Vixen, Vice Dgen

then each play in a Captains/Vices mini leagues.

Each clan has a main captain, self appointed tbf. Who would say that friendyboy was the main captain at pheonix? Erigert is OBVIOUSLY the captain of Uprising

Firstly, three teams is difficult, so much easier with 2 as you only need 8 active players (in the right teams) ... I'm pretty sure me and Bucky plan to only field 2 teams next season because 3 is just too much work.

Secondly, A captain / vice captain mini league would just conjure up the same results... Uprising vs FPD final

Just an idea:

Why not having FBL/SL clans independent from those playing FCL? Let people make their own teams and shuffle players around. Takes load off captains of the huge clans and leads others into captaining!