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ab_rfc
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00:59 Wed 22 Jul 15 (BST)  [Link]  
Dont get me started on 3 foul bonus points lol, why should a player get bonus points if 1 or more of them fouls is caused by me potting the cue ball, all 3 fouls are not always due to skill by an opponent, the 3rd one is the only one usually aimed for, should never have bonus points based on what your opponent does, why should you get a bonus because your opponent cant get out of snookers, again another chance for the top players to get points from the lesser skilled players.
As for 7 ballings, not alot of skill involved, just need an opponent thats useless lol
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01:09 Wed 22 Jul 15 (BST)  [Link]  
Dont get me started on 3 foul bonus points lol, why should a player get bonus points if 1 or more of them fouls is caused by me potting the cue ball, all 3 fouls are not always due to skill by an opponent, the 3rd one is the only one usually aimed for, should never have bonus points based on what your opponent does, why should you get a bonus because your opponent cant get out of snookers, again another chance for the top players to get points from the lesser skilled players.
As for 7 ballings, not alot of skill involved, just need an opponent thats useless lol

Dont get me started on runout bonus points lol, why should a player get bonus points if 1 or more of the pots is caused by a fluke or lucky positioning, all pots are not always due to skill by an opponent, the last pots is the only ones usually aimed for, why should you get a bonus because you get a fluke or the balls run nicely for you, again another chance for the top players to get points from the lesser skilled players.

ab_rfc
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01:18 Wed 22 Jul 15 (BST)  [Link]  
Gain from your own luck and not others misfortune

I say bin all bonus points, never liked them
dgeneratio
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01:22 Wed 22 Jul 15 (BST)  [Link]  
then people will tap you to death
ab_rfc
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01:23 Wed 22 Jul 15 (BST)  [Link]  
What will be the next suggestion to come from Pros or Uprising, the lesser skilled players have to wear blindfolds lol
ab_rfc
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01:26 Wed 22 Jul 15 (BST)  [Link]  
then people will tap you to death

Yeh but being in Pros you should have the skill to handle that
dgeneratio
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01:28 Wed 22 Jul 15 (BST)  [Link]  
well having tratter in your team your 50% there
horse10000
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01:32 Wed 22 Jul 15 (BST)  [Link]  
It looks like some players have finally understood that if we want a true frame count league it is difficult/impossible in FBL as straight is in it and all frames need to all count the same and they don't want to drop to 6 which is probably still too much for straight.

So now what any other suggestions
klien
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01:33 Wed 22 Jul 15 (BST)  [Link]  
It looks like some players have finally understood that if we want a true frame count league it is difficult/impossible in FBL as straight is in it and all frames need to all count the same and they don't want to drop to 6 which is probably still too much for straight.

So now what any other suggestions


Scrap the win bonuses in the FCL
dgeneratio
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01:34 Wed 22 Jul 15 (BST)  [Link]  
It looks like some players have finally understood that if we want a true frame count league it is difficult/impossible in FBL as straight is in it and all frames need to all count the same and they don't want to drop to 6 which is probably still too much for straight.

So now what any other suggestions


Point Count? either that or (sorry been), team count then virtually any format is possible
horse10000
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01:35 Wed 22 Jul 15 (BST)  [Link]  
It looks like some players have finally understood that if we want a true frame count league it is difficult/impossible in FBL as straight is in it and all frames need to all count the same and they don't want to drop to 6 which is probably still too much for straight.

So now what any other suggestions


Scrap the win bonuses in the FCL


Where have you been hiding that was discussed miles back
horse10000
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01:36 Wed 22 Jul 15 (BST)  [Link]  
It looks like some players have finally understood that if we want a true frame count league it is difficult/impossible in FBL as straight is in it and all frames need to all count the same and they don't want to drop to 6 which is probably still too much for straight.

So now what any other suggestions


Point Count? either that or (sorry been), team count then virtually any format is possible


Not going down point count as all frames should carry the same merit. And yes team count anything is possible
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01:40 Wed 22 Jul 15 (BST)  [Link]  
Keith - Can we hear your ideas and then we have some foundation to actually discuss? At the moment it's a lot of crossed wires pretty much a free for all with difference in opinion.

So maybe that could be a good start?
Thanks.
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01:53 Wed 22 Jul 15 (BST)  [Link]  
Keith - Can we hear your ideas and then we have some foundation to actually discuss? At the moment it's a lot of crossed wires pretty much a free for all with difference in opinion.

So maybe that could be a good start?
Thanks.


This is a discussion forum everyone should feel free to post their ideas, some of them or none of them may happen but if no one posts then we are never going to get change if wanted.

The latest debate regarding frame count that has went on, I would actually like to see it (even though been seems to think i don't and have it in for his idea) but only if it is done 100% fairly and not a made to fit like FCL has been for seasons now. Players did not want to only play 6 frames but if they want it to be fair then straight would have to be the same length (6 frames) and the win reward the same.
That is the only way you can have true accuracy on the team who wins the most frames winning.

As others are quiet i will throw another random suggestion out for discussion:-

Super League increase to 3 racks of all types, 9 racks in total right in the middle of the 8 and 10 everyone has been debating. No bonus points and it becomes a true frame count league.

FBL as we have done away with the low frame count by changing the SL, change FBL to include arcade games and just play one of each type including straight. So 1 x US8 arc, 1 x US9 Arc, 1 x US8, 1x US9, 1 x UK8 and 1 x straight. So FBL is now 6 frames and I think most would agree by adding in arcade most players could beat any player and it would be a bit of a lottery but I would not be surprised over a season if it is still one of the big clans that wins. By including 1 of straight you are going to have a lot of players playing it that don't normally again which will take players out of their comfort zones.

FCL = 15 Frames
SL = 9 Frames
FBL = 6 Frames

So we have 3 different levels of frames high, medium and low as per some peoples requests. We have team count, frame count and short mixed up one as well.

Totally different but it is something else to discuss
fatmikee
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01:56 Wed 22 Jul 15 (BST)  [Link]  
Well i happen to agree with Alan and scrap all bonas points with the exception of 9 ball.And just leave well enough alone.
_knightmare_
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02:13 Wed 22 Jul 15 (BST)  [Link]  
The SL increase to 3 frames is something i called for - not really thrilled about including Arcade in the FBL, none of them require skill and are just 'whackaball' why should a player lose to someone smacking the balls around?

1 frame of each - I personally think it's way too short - 3 of each would allow 1 break each plus whoever gets the luck of the draw for the 3rd.
klien
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02:14 Wed 22 Jul 15 (BST)  [Link]  
The SL increase to 3 frames is something i called for - not really thrilled about including Arcade in the FBL, none of them require skill and are just 'whackaball' why should a player lose to someone smacking the balls around?

1 frame of each - I personally think it's way too short - 3 of each would allow 1 break each plus whoever gets the luck of the draw for the 3rd.


it's not 1 frame of each he's suggesting, at least I hope he isn't.
It's 1 game of each type per fixture, so each fixture would be 6 v 6.
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02:15 Wed 22 Jul 15 (BST)  [Link]  
The SL increase to 3 frames is something i called for - not really thrilled about including Arcade in the FBL, none of them require skill and are just 'whackaball' why should a player lose to someone smacking the balls around?

1 frame of each - I personally think it's way too short - 3 of each would allow 1 break each plus whoever gets the luck of the draw for the 3rd.


it's not 1 frame of each he's suggesting.
It's 1 game per fixture of each, so each fixture would be 6 v 6.


Shh I knew that - was just testing....honest - (*back to my corner I go.)
dgeneratio
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02:17 Wed 22 Jul 15 (BST)  [Link]  
Don't agree with 9 Arcade but i guess both teams have a chance of runouts each frame
klien
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02:20 Wed 22 Jul 15 (BST)  [Link]  
Can I suggest spicing the FBL up abit and instead of 6 v 6 it being 8 v 8 each fixture.

The other 2 games being captains choice.

A game in which a captain chooses their play and type for one fixture and also puts forward a player to play the oppositions "captains choice".

Put simply, each captain gets to choose a type for his/her player.

Example: (pros vs uprising)

Pro's captains choice (8ballus): beenjammin vs _niall_
Uprising's captains choice (8ball uk): dvz vs erigert

Of course, each captain will only know their own type choice before fixtures are released, meaning they are putting one of their players in "blindly" into a fixture/type.
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