If guys really want change. I would propose Keith takes charge of running the FCL and FBL and you give the SL to someone else to run. At least then you may be guaranteed variety.

Every single thing you said there is untrue. When have I ever said I want to win the GC? It's a joke anyway because who you play is totally random!
and I've explained (at least 4 times) the fact that 2frames, or 10 doesn't matter as far as seperating the top from bottom. There'll be a huge gap anyway. That it matters in whether you'll be able to seperate the top teams.
You're just as bad as keith and ab, twisting my reasons for wanting what I do in an attempt to make me look selfish.

My real problem with the suggested change is the dropping from 8 to 6.
It's obvious the majority was asking for 8 or 10.
Noone asked for 6, only a few agreed after keith proposed it.
The problem he's suddenly developed over straight counting 2,
FBL did it that way for seasons, while counting frames (along with other things), noone complained then!!
It isn't reason enough shorten FBL down that much!
I want straight to remain, but would rather see it scrapped than see FBL below 8 frames, makes it barely any more accurate than SL.

and keith still hasn't explained:

Edited at 14:44 Sun 19/07/15 (BST)

btw, thanks punk
makes me feel like someone actually considered what I have to say, at least one anyway.

Someone said: "Keith is doing the admirable thing by allowing everyone their chance to express their own opinions."
How so? We don't need his permission. Besides, all he does is try to twist (make others misunderstand) or belittle any opinions or opinion posters he doesn't agree with.
Oh wait, he's also willing to invent illogical arguments and even lie to prove them wrong.

I'd stop refusing to address him directly btw, if he'd admit he lied and apologize. Everyone can see it anyway, knows it happened.
Wait, I say that, but I'd prob need him to admit he always planned on shortening FBL too.

Edited at 15:01 Sun 19/07/15 (BST)

True about we don't need permission, that was just a figure of speech. I also stated whether he listens or implements anyone's ideas is his choice. As for twisting and belittle opinions I will have to disagree. There are far more members who carry out such actions and Keith imo is not one.

Me and Keith have our differences and disagree many a time but never once have I felt belittled maybe other things but not that.

Lol you still not liking anyone questioning your points which have been shown to be inaccurate. I fully understand that for pros and uprising they would prefer it to be best of as much frames as possible, but that is not a reflection on the entire league. The rest of the teams would prefer less frames as there is no enjoyment in losing by big numbers. So you can keep shouting all you like but I will do what's best for all not just the top players / teams.

Been

The same old argument. You say more games separates the top teams and yet you have always said that matches between the top teams and players are decided more often or not by luck. You are therefore seeking to separate the top teams by their matches against third parties which is wrong.

You also bang on about accuracy. However in reality an 8-0, 8-7 or anything in between in a best of fifteen contest is far more of an 'accurate' outcome than that in any FCL game where all 15 racks are played - other than when a player wins the last rack to win 8-7. I am guessing if you do not see that point then you do not understand what accuracy is let alone what makes a competitive contest fair.

You are entitled to your own opinion on anything. But if your children had an opinion that they believed right which was to put their hands into an open fire which you know to be wrong then I doubt you would let them - quite rightly. Further, if they demanded to do what they wanted or else in this respect, I am sure you would still oppose it.

A pretty basic analogy but that is what has happened over the seasons here. Those who clearly know more about what constitutes organising and running a fair and proper sporting competition than you do are doing things their way - and also quite rightly.

Edited at 15:18 Sun 19/07/15 (BST)

Hallelujah

You get my vote for runner

YOu notice guys, this argument of his would justify shortening any league, but he's only using it where it suits him, shortening the frame count league.

Try asking him to do it in FCL, his new team match league, and see how he responds lol

I already replied saying I would prefer to lower the number of frames in FCL but as it has been the clan league that most players see as the top one I realise to reduce the frames would face opposition.

But if enough teams expressed an interest to reduce I would happily do it.

4 frames in each type so both players get 2 breaks would work better.

Lets change everything just for fun.

Just what I was thinking lol

1 frame of each? be done in 5 mins

5 second shot timer plzzz

oh yes

Call it the FTL..

Funky Turbo League

Bugatti Championship?

hey is veyron quick?

Quick at losing

All frames are mini golf

YOu see guys? He just repeats the same lie! lol
He'd never allow his precious team match count to be a league without the longest format, and we all know it.

Had another thought,
He claims that 6 frames in FBL would give the leagues more balance and variety. Let's look at that.
FCL with 15,
FBL with 6,
SL with 6

compared to
FCL with 15
FBL with 8 or 10
SL with 6

speaks for itself.