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18:30 Sat 18 Jul 15 (BST) [Link]
may be classed as rude yeah and apologies didn't mean to sound like it but way i see it, we don't play Straight so our opinions shouldn't count much. Its more volume if a Straight player says the format is long/short as they play the type.
I disagree, we are still players on a team or Captains etc - our opinions hold as much weight and water as someone who may play a specific game type more than us. So what - I'm not speaking for the sake of Straight but for the team I very luckily Co Captain with my good friend friendyboy (Alex - aka Sisi) and how it will impact or affect the team and it's continued progress.
'REAL opinions' that's a bit RUDE James!
may be classed as rude yeah and apologies didn't mean to sound like it but way i see it, we don't play Straight so our opinions shouldn't count much. Its more volume if a Straight player says the format is long/short as they play the type.
I disagree, we are still players on a team or Captains etc - our opinions hold as much weight and water as someone who may play a specific game type more than us. So what - I'm not speaking for the sake of Straight but for the team I very luckily Co Captain with my good friend friendyboy (Alex - aka Sisi) and how it will impact or affect the team and it's continued progress.
18:33 Sat 18 Jul 15 (BST) [Link]
If it gets increased to 6 then its too long your right but i wouldn't want Straight banished, If it did then it opens the door for all the other types to be removed also. UK would be one of the next to go for me if thats the case as just like Straight it favours a selection of players which are tappers. In my view you can't remove a type because it favours a group of players otherwise we could say remove UK as it favour guys like tratter who like to tap. Everyone plays different, i smash without consequence of winning or losing a frame on Straight but in the US types i tend to be more tactical.
18:36 Sat 18 Jul 15 (BST) [Link]
3 of the above players you mentioned dont even come online anymore so not sure why you put them james . Real opinions are for all to say so you cant exclude other opinions !
Im not sure why you even care much anyways cos all you dribble on about is snooker .
would really like to hear real opinions for Straight from players such as legend_pot, dark_chocco, corsair, whocares8x8, III1III1III, w_hoolahan, punkpoet, erigert, dvz, lethal_lures, beenjammin, turtle1560
If majority of those would want short straight frames (e.g. two) then i will admit defeat long as Straight isn't entirely eliminated as then it begs question of removing other types.
If majority of those would want short straight frames (e.g. two) then i will admit defeat long as Straight isn't entirely eliminated as then it begs question of removing other types.
3 of the above players you mentioned dont even come online anymore so not sure why you put them james . Real opinions are for all to say so you cant exclude other opinions !
Im not sure why you even care much anyways cos all you dribble on about is snooker .
18:41 Sat 18 Jul 15 (BST) [Link]
Keith was the one who mentioned Snooker first and i was replying to him. and i have been dribbling about saving straight in the league last two days
I put them as they played Straight and i have all three on facebook if you mean Sam, Lures and Turtle, all i have to do is pm them for their opinion
For the 88th time though, long as Straight stays in the League i couldn't care what format is used
I put them as they played Straight and i have all three on facebook if you mean Sam, Lures and Turtle, all i have to do is pm them for their opinion
For the 88th time though, long as Straight stays in the League i couldn't care what format is used
18:44 Sat 18 Jul 15 (BST) [Link]
It's not a popularity contest James - it's simply about trying to be practical and realistic. Comparing Straight to 8uk is silly, yes there are different types of players but what has that got to do with keeping or modifying a format. Whether anyone likes or dislikes a type is neither here nor there, it's irrelevant.
Also this statement proves otherwise: Long as we agree Straight remains in the league then i have accomplished my goal and can start talking formats.
So for the 89th time please tell me you aren't even bothered about the format lol
Edited at 15:48 Sat 18/07/15 (BST)
Also this statement proves otherwise: Long as we agree Straight remains in the league then i have accomplished my goal and can start talking formats.
So for the 89th time please tell me you aren't even bothered about the format lol
Edited at 15:48 Sat 18/07/15 (BST)
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19:04 Sat 18 Jul 15 (BST) [Link]
At the end of the day it's supposed to be a fun league. I understand the common argument that straight tends to be more of an inevitable result but in the current format straight matches simply aren't fun (in my opinion of course) - Because the matches aren't long enough and you get no leeway.
I think it's pretty clear that straight is wanted in the league (apart from a vocal minority).
The format should come second, the matches being enjoyable to the people involved should come first.
Wouldn't it be a better idea if we actually ask the people who want to play straight whether 6 frames is too much? After all they are the ones who are going to be playing the matches. Take the list of people I posted (a couple of pages back) and ask their opinions of whether they would prefer 3 frames, 6 frames etc.?
I think it's pretty clear that straight is wanted in the league (apart from a vocal minority).
The format should come second, the matches being enjoyable to the people involved should come first.
Wouldn't it be a better idea if we actually ask the people who want to play straight whether 6 frames is too much? After all they are the ones who are going to be playing the matches. Take the list of people I posted (a couple of pages back) and ask their opinions of whether they would prefer 3 frames, 6 frames etc.?
19:11 Sat 18 Jul 15 (BST) [Link]
I think James just means the opinions of players who it will actually impact most. Rather than changing things for people who it won't affect.
Straight needs to be balanced with the others so that there is equal weighting, if you want to have less straight frames because it is longer then you have no argument against including more 9 ball frames because that is shorter than the other types. It's another type, you can't said the whole game type allows it to be treated differently but not explain that. Every game type is different so they can all be treated differently.
30 minutes a frame is an exaggeration, you really think 3 frames of straight could take an hour and a half and you're happy to include that with types that could be done in 10 minutes?
6 frames is only too much to those who don't play it.
Killer in FBL doesn't work half as well as it does in a stand alone cup (and it is the only game type that could work easily on it's own as a team game). To increase SL to 3 frames each means removing bonuses which gives it identity.
'REAL opinions' that's a bit RUDE James!
Why does straight need to be 'balanced' with the 3 other main/common types on the site?
What's next 6 games of Killer just to balance ALL types? When is it going to stop? All this nonsense about Straight being treated the same, the whole game type allows it to be treated differently.
There is nothing wrong with the 8 frames in 8us, 9us and 8uk - That has worked very well this season, Straight being 2 frames is too short, 6 is way too big so why not meet in the middle and go with 4 which is parallel to the format for the GSC too then. 3 was my idea to try and get an actual winner as I'm not fond of results being ended in a draw, but that's just me.
I'm not trying to be awkward or annoying just voicing my opinion as much as anyone else is entitled too.
On the whole ALL formats have run smoothly, the only changes which need to be done to hopefully increase the enjoyment and contribution factor for all is: Killer to return to FBL 3 vs 3 - Straight frames be increased but not over exaggerated, SL format maybe increased a little (best of 3 possibly each type?)
Why does straight need to be 'balanced' with the 3 other main/common types on the site?
What's next 6 games of Killer just to balance ALL types? When is it going to stop? All this nonsense about Straight being treated the same, the whole game type allows it to be treated differently.
There is nothing wrong with the 8 frames in 8us, 9us and 8uk - That has worked very well this season, Straight being 2 frames is too short, 6 is way too big so why not meet in the middle and go with 4 which is parallel to the format for the GSC too then. 3 was my idea to try and get an actual winner as I'm not fond of results being ended in a draw, but that's just me.
I'm not trying to be awkward or annoying just voicing my opinion as much as anyone else is entitled too.
On the whole ALL formats have run smoothly, the only changes which need to be done to hopefully increase the enjoyment and contribution factor for all is: Killer to return to FBL 3 vs 3 - Straight frames be increased but not over exaggerated, SL format maybe increased a little (best of 3 possibly each type?)
I think James just means the opinions of players who it will actually impact most. Rather than changing things for people who it won't affect.
Straight needs to be balanced with the others so that there is equal weighting, if you want to have less straight frames because it is longer then you have no argument against including more 9 ball frames because that is shorter than the other types. It's another type, you can't said the whole game type allows it to be treated differently but not explain that. Every game type is different so they can all be treated differently.
30 minutes a frame is an exaggeration, you really think 3 frames of straight could take an hour and a half and you're happy to include that with types that could be done in 10 minutes?
6 frames is only too much to those who don't play it.
Killer in FBL doesn't work half as well as it does in a stand alone cup (and it is the only game type that could work easily on it's own as a team game). To increase SL to 3 frames each means removing bonuses which gives it identity.
19:18 Sat 18 Jul 15 (BST) [Link]
Again, this just contradicts what you say. You don't want to increase a game type because that favours better players, but you are opposed to a reduction of the other types (which would go against top players), want to increase SL frames (which benefits top players).
IF the frames get increased to 6 then there is NO place for Straight as it will ONLY be favouring the top players and their teams respectively in my opinion. Firestorm Phoenix are very fortunate to have some very good Straight players but that doesn't mean I will remove or neglect 'fairness for all' when achieving any possible victories.
Correct me if I'm wrong but I thought we've been speaking about formats since yesterday - so not sure why the need for you to post the last sentence:
Correct me if I'm wrong but I thought we've been speaking about formats since yesterday - so not sure why the need for you to post the last sentence:
Again, this just contradicts what you say. You don't want to increase a game type because that favours better players, but you are opposed to a reduction of the other types (which would go against top players), want to increase SL frames (which benefits top players).
19:26 Sat 18 Jul 15 (BST) [Link]
They would take no longer than an FCL match in reality, so no more partials than those in FCL. Try to blame the people leaving mid game rather than giving them an excuse to leave.
To someone who enjoys straight it isn't, just like watching someone run the rack over and over. Straight is about patience, even the best players will sit and watch because that is how straight works. You are entitled to your opinion, but you cannot say straight is a boring type just because you find it boring. The majority of players who want to be put into straight are happy with the increase, the players I spoke to enjoyed the cup format more than the league because there was more.
Seems to me, that your issue is with non straight players being put into a game type they don't like. They are happy when they only have 2 because it doesn't take them long to lose or they think they can nick one and earn a draw. It won't result in any more defaults, but in players who actually want to play going into it. I wouldn't really enjoy a game versus someone who didn't want to play, so why do it in straight.
Partial matches are nothing short of a headache for Captains, so encouraging their possibilities to happen is a very silly move. 6 frames in Straight, some frames can take between 10 - 30 mins (dependent of who the players are) each.
It's nothing but boring (unless you're on the table) or time wasting - I can see why the 6 frames is being suggested but seriously try and think and be a little more practical and realise that NO ONE other than the select minority will even bother to entertain the idea of playing 6 frames.
In the GSC even some straight players expressed a dislike in playing 4 frames so I really am not even bothering to think how the 6 proposal will be received. These concerns were from the STRAIGHT players themselves, so IF the premise is to alienate and upset many players then have your 6.
A player could have a lucky break and win the odd frame vs the top players but more than likely they'll end up just being a 'sitting duck' and watch their opponent clear rack upon rack on the hope they miss just before reaching 35. I can tell you exactly what will happen IF 6 frames of straight is implemented; players will request to play another type, players will not be happy, no one will want to sub in to cover, resulting in more defaults.
Is all that really worth it for 1 point per frame....I don't think so.
It's nothing but boring (unless you're on the table) or time wasting - I can see why the 6 frames is being suggested but seriously try and think and be a little more practical and realise that NO ONE other than the select minority will even bother to entertain the idea of playing 6 frames.
In the GSC even some straight players expressed a dislike in playing 4 frames so I really am not even bothering to think how the 6 proposal will be received. These concerns were from the STRAIGHT players themselves, so IF the premise is to alienate and upset many players then have your 6.
A player could have a lucky break and win the odd frame vs the top players but more than likely they'll end up just being a 'sitting duck' and watch their opponent clear rack upon rack on the hope they miss just before reaching 35. I can tell you exactly what will happen IF 6 frames of straight is implemented; players will request to play another type, players will not be happy, no one will want to sub in to cover, resulting in more defaults.
Is all that really worth it for 1 point per frame....I don't think so.
They would take no longer than an FCL match in reality, so no more partials than those in FCL. Try to blame the people leaving mid game rather than giving them an excuse to leave.
To someone who enjoys straight it isn't, just like watching someone run the rack over and over. Straight is about patience, even the best players will sit and watch because that is how straight works. You are entitled to your opinion, but you cannot say straight is a boring type just because you find it boring. The majority of players who want to be put into straight are happy with the increase, the players I spoke to enjoyed the cup format more than the league because there was more.
Seems to me, that your issue is with non straight players being put into a game type they don't like. They are happy when they only have 2 because it doesn't take them long to lose or they think they can nick one and earn a draw. It won't result in any more defaults, but in players who actually want to play going into it. I wouldn't really enjoy a game versus someone who didn't want to play, so why do it in straight.
19:27 Sat 18 Jul 15 (BST) [Link]
So who apart from ash doesnt want straight?
I mean i dont read every post but it seems its just Ash lol.
And tbf why is is silly to compare 8buk to str8, I ont like 8buk, i think for pockets are massive, and in clan game ive lost due to 8buk... You dont like straight for your own self serving reasons lol.
I honestly think fbl is fine, but id like 3 racksof straight. Unsure how you would do that point wise....
I mean i dont read every post but it seems its just Ash lol.
And tbf why is is silly to compare 8buk to str8, I ont like 8buk, i think for pockets are massive, and in clan game ive lost due to 8buk... You dont like straight for your own self serving reasons lol.
I honestly think fbl is fine, but id like 3 racksof straight. Unsure how you would do that point wise....
19:30 Sat 18 Jul 15 (BST) [Link]
Love this post
Notice I'm not addressing him directly, I don't converse with liars.
Another thing, about the straight being worth 1 or 2 ponits each game.
He says you can't give more than one point because it's only one game, no matter how long.
An understandable argument I admit, has some validity, though I disagree.
Yet at the same time he wants one game of killer to be worth more than one point!
It seems this standard of his only comes into play when it suits him.
Seemed to me that almost everyone was happy with 8 and 4 (worth 2) except him and his best buddy.
Edited at 14:44 Sat 18/07/15 (BST)
Another thing, about the straight being worth 1 or 2 ponits each game.
He says you can't give more than one point because it's only one game, no matter how long.
An understandable argument I admit, has some validity, though I disagree.
Yet at the same time he wants one game of killer to be worth more than one point!
It seems this standard of his only comes into play when it suits him.
Seemed to me that almost everyone was happy with 8 and 4 (worth 2) except him and his best buddy.
Edited at 14:44 Sat 18/07/15 (BST)
Love this post
19:30 Sat 18 Jul 15 (BST) [Link]
3 of the above players you mentioned dont even come online anymore so not sure why you put them james . Real opinions are for all to say so you cant exclude other opinions !
Im not sure why you even care much anyways cos all you dribble on about is snooker .
turtle has PC issues which he is waiting to get sorted and Sam has just retired (I think), so really it is only Pete from that list but all of them played last season.
I thought you had decided there was too much corruption in the leagues because you lost defaults and you weren't in clans so what makes you any different to "those 3"?
I think it's a very valid point to get the opinions of the players who will be playing straight most because that is the target population of these changes.
would really like to hear real opinions for Straight from players such as legend_pot, dark_chocco, corsair, whocares8x8, III1III1III, w_hoolahan, punkpoet, erigert, dvz, lethal_lures, beenjammin, turtle1560
If majority of those would want short straight frames (e.g. two) then i will admit defeat long as Straight isn't entirely eliminated as then it begs question of removing other types.
If majority of those would want short straight frames (e.g. two) then i will admit defeat long as Straight isn't entirely eliminated as then it begs question of removing other types.
3 of the above players you mentioned dont even come online anymore so not sure why you put them james . Real opinions are for all to say so you cant exclude other opinions !
Im not sure why you even care much anyways cos all you dribble on about is snooker .
turtle has PC issues which he is waiting to get sorted and Sam has just retired (I think), so really it is only Pete from that list but all of them played last season.
I thought you had decided there was too much corruption in the leagues because you lost defaults and you weren't in clans so what makes you any different to "those 3"?
I think it's a very valid point to get the opinions of the players who will be playing straight most because that is the target population of these changes.
19:31 Sat 18 Jul 15 (BST) [Link]
Only Ash, huts And ab dont want straight. One doesnt play in the leagues, one has only joined a clan in only one league and the other never gets a game played.
That should tell it all.
That should tell it all.
19:32 Sat 18 Jul 15 (BST) [Link]
Okay 2 against about 10 people?
Best idea is to ask clans for there opinions, but cant be done as i reckon there will be a 7th clan.
and Huts
Okay 2 against about 10 people?
Best idea is to ask clans for there opinions, but cant be done as i reckon there will be a 7th clan.
19:35 Sat 18 Jul 15 (BST) [Link]
3 of the above players you mentioned dont even come online anymore so not sure why you put them james . Real opinions are for all to say so you cant exclude other opinions !
Im not sure why you even care much anyways cos all you dribble on about is snooker .
turtle has PC issues which he is waiting to get sorted and Sam has just retired (I think), so really it is only Pete from that list but all of them played last season.
I thought you had decided there was too much corruption in the leagues because you lost defaults and you weren't in clans so what makes you any different to "those 3"?
I think it's a very valid point to get the opinions of the players who will be playing straight most because that is the target population of these changes.
3 or 4 racks for me folks.
we have a few str8 players in pds always have
would really like to hear real opinions for Straight from players such as legend_pot, dark_chocco, corsair, whocares8x8, III1III1III, w_hoolahan, punkpoet, erigert, dvz, lethal_lures, beenjammin, turtle1560
If majority of those would want short straight frames (e.g. two) then i will admit defeat long as Straight isn't entirely eliminated as then it begs question of removing other types.
If majority of those would want short straight frames (e.g. two) then i will admit defeat long as Straight isn't entirely eliminated as then it begs question of removing other types.
3 of the above players you mentioned dont even come online anymore so not sure why you put them james . Real opinions are for all to say so you cant exclude other opinions !
Im not sure why you even care much anyways cos all you dribble on about is snooker .
turtle has PC issues which he is waiting to get sorted and Sam has just retired (I think), so really it is only Pete from that list but all of them played last season.
I thought you had decided there was too much corruption in the leagues because you lost defaults and you weren't in clans so what makes you any different to "those 3"?
I think it's a very valid point to get the opinions of the players who will be playing straight most because that is the target population of these changes.
3 or 4 racks for me folks.
we have a few str8 players in pds always have
19:35 Sat 18 Jul 15 (BST) [Link]
Until people can agree there should be no changes, this happens after every season and people never agree, you get the ones that want what suits them and their clan, looking for any advantage possible and you get the ones that spit their dummies out and threaten to leave if they dont get what they want, no compromise, and thats just the top 2 clans lol.
Why continue with a debate thats just going round in circles ?
Oh and these people that threaten to leave, its blackmail and desperation to get what they want, doesn't make them look good, the leagues are for anyone to join, no ones forcing anyone to play in them, you either want to play or you don't, its your choice.
Why continue with a debate thats just going round in circles ?
Oh and these people that threaten to leave, its blackmail and desperation to get what they want, doesn't make them look good, the leagues are for anyone to join, no ones forcing anyone to play in them, you either want to play or you don't, its your choice.
19:36 Sat 18 Jul 15 (BST) [Link]
Okay 2 against about 10 people?
Best idea is to ask clans for there opinions, but cant be done as i reckon there will be a 7th clan.
Actually ash is just agains there being 6 frames of straight, he suggested 8 and 4 (worth 2), like i did.
The only ones against straight are ab and huts.
The only ones against straight counting 2 (i think) is keith, ab, and huts
The only one against 8 frames of regular types (i think) is keith
and Huts
Okay 2 against about 10 people?
Best idea is to ask clans for there opinions, but cant be done as i reckon there will be a 7th clan.
Actually ash is just agains there being 6 frames of straight, he suggested 8 and 4 (worth 2), like i did.
The only ones against straight are ab and huts.
The only ones against straight counting 2 (i think) is keith, ab, and huts
The only one against 8 frames of regular types (i think) is keith
19:37 Sat 18 Jul 15 (BST) [Link]
And the format should be 8 frames of the other types and 4 frames of straight with 2 point each. That way each type has the same weight in the fixture.
19:38 Sat 18 Jul 15 (BST) [Link]
Okay 2 against about 10 people?
Best idea is to ask clans for there opinions, but cant be done as i reckon there will be a 7th clan.
Actually ash is just agains there being 6 frames of straight, he suggested 8 and 4 (worth 2), like i did.
The only ones against straight are ab and huts.
The only ones against straight counting 2 (i think) is keith, ab, and huts
As i said above 3 or 4 is good for me, 6 maybe too long lol.
and Huts
Okay 2 against about 10 people?
Best idea is to ask clans for there opinions, but cant be done as i reckon there will be a 7th clan.
Actually ash is just agains there being 6 frames of straight, he suggested 8 and 4 (worth 2), like i did.
The only ones against straight are ab and huts.
The only ones against straight counting 2 (i think) is keith, ab, and huts
As i said above 3 or 4 is good for me, 6 maybe too long lol.
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