Let's be honest the only clans the scoring will affect is as Niall said the pros and uprising, they are rightly so the best 2 clans. In my opinion stop worrying about points and start thinking about how to make the clan leagues fun for everyone

Me and zan have been discussing FBL. niall, and u?, were talkin FCL

Every frame is counted, a frame count is the title being decided by how many frames are won. Each frame won in best of is still counted. The only difference is the amount of frames played, you can't say it is any different. It just puts more emphasis on beating the better players.

It adds another half layer to differentiate clans because they will have played a different amount of frames, so teams level on frames won are not likely to have the same amount of frames lost whereas two teams who have won the same amount will almost certainly have the same amount of frames lost, which means frame count is obsolete against frame difference.

I'm on about all leagues

So how would uprising and professionals like to contest the leagues this year

Unfortunately thats just the way many leagues are.. The team with the best players should and eventually will win the main league.. That doesnt mean to say that the "lower" teams cant win the other leagues. The FCL, being the main league on the site, should be a league that the team with the most wins in the fixtures, wins. Its like football. You expect Chelsea to win the league when they win the most games. But you can expect upsets in the Carling Cup and FA Cup despite the dominance of the larger teams.

Its just unavoidable.

zan,
Every played frame is counted yes, but every frame still hasn't been counted if they weren't played.
and there are differences,
Why should one player get more chances at 5 points than another?
Picture players a,b, and c,
a beats c 5-0
b beats c 5-3
In my eyes this isn't accurate, A shows the most skill but gets the same as B? A should get more!
If everyone plays the same number of frames he'll have a chance to.

Edited at 22:45 Thu 16/07/15 (BST)

The difference is spoonie that they get paid thousands of pounds and this is for fun , and when you are constantly getting your butt handed to you the fun dwindles as we are seeing with the declining numbers

Next season in the FCL, (Even if some of these players have been offline for weeks) Gormless Storm will select...

joeyy
_fresh_
legend_pot
dark_chocco
dbno
davybaumers
the__tornado
tension

How is that a 2 horse race between Pro's and Uprising? There's been decent competition every season, and the likes of TFS and Chips n Gravy could and would have changed the outcome of the leagues if they both didn't resort to cheating.

That's why the leagues spilt into two and the top half only play each other, and the bottom half only play each other in the FCL and the FBL.

But what about players being "team players"?

If you're counting just frames won, A has in a sense "earned" more than B as they haven't allowed the opposition to gain points. If the format is only about the frames won, points wise it shouldn't matter if I win 5 - 0 or 5 - 4

Ok sorry for having my own opinion, I will change my opinion to say a 3 horse race

corsair,
Imagine players a, b, and c all being from a different team.
teams a and b have now earned the same amount, when team a showed more skill. Not accurate.
Where it matters is in seperating teams a and b.

Edited at 22:55 Thu 16/07/15 (BST)

Well to put them in a table, Player A would still top by frame difference. Ideally, to find out the best player between the 3 you would want it decided by the match between Player A and B. If it finished 8-0 instead of 5-0, then player A doesn't need to beat Player B to be the best. Does winning a match 8-0 really prove you are a much better player than someone at 5-0?

A 8-0 C
B 6-2 C
A 3-5 B

Leaves A 11, B 11, C 2. How do you differentiate that?

There are the same number of chances at 5 points in both ways, once a player hits 5 points, the other players could only hit 3 points at the most.

You said yourself that frame difference wouldn't matter unless there's a tie in frame count.
as far as frame count they have earned the same amount

If i wanted to find the best player I'd have everyone play everyone, the same number of frames, and whoever comes out with the most frames wins.

They are separated though, on the secondary ranking. It just means A vs B is more important than A v C and B v C.

To ignore that team A showed more skill vs team c than team b did, isnt accurate, and that's what your best of would do.
and you said yourself, frame difference is secondary, prob won't matter. Frame count needs to recognize the difference, for it to be true frame count.

It wouldn't matter if teams played a different amount of frames, if they play the same amount then frame count is obsolete to frame difference (basically, defaults decide things if there are any) because frame count cannot differentiate between teams that frame difference can, and frame difference cannot put a team above another with a higher frame count. Hopefully you can follow that, because I haven't made it entirely clear I fear

Frame count and best of just don't go together, I've tried to explain how it loses accuracy when frames are left unplayed. If you don't want to see it, that's not on me at this point.

This is shown when you look at frame difference though.

If Team A and Team B achieve the same number of frames (points) then they are tied. Team C is third.

If all frames are played then Team A and B also have the same frame difference as they must have lost the same number (due to the set number of frames).

If all frames aren't played and it's simply a best of 10 then there is the potential for teams A & B to be separated based on their frame difference; i.e. if team A (as you put it) have more "skill" by conceding less frames in their matches then they will have a better frame difference than team B


I'd disagree and say it's you who is not seeing it....

Frame count is meaningless when all frames are played and two teams are tied because of the above.