If I played both you and Zante in an fcl match, Zante beats me 15-0 whereas I fluke a golden break against you 3 times, would that make Zante the better player. It isn't a dig or an argument, just curious

I agree with your principles ash, but unfortunately there are too many negative factions on the site for this to work realistically, in my opinion. I can't see some people wanting to play in a clan full of players they don't associate with, which isn't a bad thing either as you only have to look at the cameraderie that your own team have built as well as the team spirit at uprising. Dynamos also always have a good spine to the team, and I am hoping it is something we are building with revs too

Hold on....get rid of the straight matches because some people are too skilful for the rest? I'm not even sure what to say...

It's not like straight is not played by anyone, whenever I log in it seems that there are more straight games going that anything else.

The common complaint seems to be that clan players don't want to play straight. In my opinion this is down to straight players (like myself) not wanting to be forced into a terrible format that is pretty much pot luck (with only two frames).

As it stands, I don't want to be playing two frames of straight that I'm going to need a fair bit of fortune to win both (with ball splits especially in straight) when I can get a much better match in another type.

Give straight a decent format and the straight players will actually want to play it, unlike what we have now.

(One idea though - If there is that much of a problem couldn't one straight frame be dropped for a killer game, both given equal weighting to the rest of the types?)

Teams drawn at random would be awful in my opinion. It's a friendly league - Why should I be told who I can and can't play with?

This proving my point exactly

It's not a case of being told who you play alongside it's a case to try (being the operative word) to maintain this site from succumbing to its death.

Maybe trial it then say for the SL or FBL? Get all clan players to submit their favourite two types and the players be drawn type first. Obviously teams will require players for all types.

I think it could work and maybe be a blessing in disguise, keep the FCL with the teams their Captains have worked diligently to creating but let's spice up and try reinvigorate the FBL League.

SL if the truth be known I think the formats way too short so am not really fussed about it.

And why should we try to save the site if its owner doesnt care anymore for it?

Playing with unknown players isnt a good idea tbh. That will make even more players leave clans, i for once would do so if i am obeyed to play in a team with players i dont like.

The site was created as a hobby/pastime, Nick has achieved what he set out to do. He's also posted on numerous occasions he's busy and this is not his main priority any more. He will maintain it as and when he can.

I notice he's been offline a fair while but try to empathise with him. Every time he logs on or doesn't for that matter he receives constant complaints and requests to improve a project he created a long time ago. Testament to Nick the site is still going today after all this time, so give him some credit for that at least. He warrants none of the abuse targeted towards him and quite frankly if players didn't really appreciate his work then they wouldn't log on daily.

Not wanting to play alongside other players, that sums up the immaturity and confirms why the site is on its demise. I play other games online and not once do I hear not playing because I don't like them. It's an online community, not asking you to sit in the same room and cook your colleagues their dinner...jeez.

There are many self righteous and self centred folk on here which is depressing and as a result is suffocating and stiffling the site and its few remaining members from the fun they crave and ask for.

It's not really immaturity to want to interact with friends over people you don't really know. If you randomised the teams, some would end up happily with people they know and get on with whereas others wouldn't and would lose interest. For some they have people who contact them to get online and they wouldn't be able to play in another clan, particularly when people have a problem with a 3rd party clan member helping to arrange a game between 2 other clans.

A group brought together who might be more quiet or less active isn't going to be attracting members. All randomising the teams would do is force people away, lower clan numbers and change the dominant force. Plus, how would a clan fairly bring in new members without being open to abuse? Random teams is filled with holes and It's more likely the death of clans than something fresh.

Whoever says the fun isn't there is spending too much time on the forums, because the stupid and petty arguing is the only thing killing any fun and enjoyment. On the table it is still the same and where players have just focused on the table they have enjoyed themselves much more. You can't "bring back the fun" through a change of format because the fun is still there. Talk less rubbish on the forums and play more and it is easy to see the fun side of clans.

So im immature cause i dont play in the same clan with people i dont like? If thats youre definition for immature, yes i am immature.

And no one said the site is bad, nick has done a great job on it but its not my duty to keep the site alive.

true, i wouldn't want to do this either for example everyone knows me and craig despise each other and we wouldn't want to do clans together, some will say well you played in Knights together, true but i think we thought we could get along. This isn't a dig but an example.

and guys have favourites like i would play with guys like Seb, Richie and Harry.

so yeah Random thing won't ever work

It would if players got over themselves and put the site first over their own self importance IMO.

I find it extremely immature to not be able to play on an ONLINE GAME along side another player who they may have differences of opinions with or don't appreciate the characters on a screen which 9/10 are completely misinterpreted. Like being back in the school playground tbh.

But each to their own, if players continue to be selfish then when the sites gone, I hope they remember these last words:
"Told ya so!" lol

The idea was to try and spruce up 1 League not split up anyone's online friendship or relationships. Heaven forbid that happen I mean already having the baby thrown out the bath with the bath water. I dread to think what could be next.

Can't force people to team together though, if you did probably 90% of the League would leave that event including me as i want to choose the clan i play for. In my Opinion don't fix what isn't broken.

You could try your own event though

Suppose you could try a Football Management style and have a set purse and each player has a value. Players can sign if Player and Captain agree and if they are under contract a player can't leave unless the opposition pay off that contract + player value/bidding.

It has nothing to do with the site though, even if players did get along it doesn't spruce anything up and it doesn't improve the site at all. It would only serve to reduce clan numbers. Not implementing this idea would not be the cause of the site going either.

That seems the more immature response, if people don't like your idea then they are immature and will cause the site to die? A bit OTT perhaps?

Let's stop passing judgement, because that is the problem and it helps nobody.

It's not that I wouldn't want to play with people I dislike (which are few and far between), it's that I've chosen repeatedly to play with people I do like (which is why I have been with Uprising for so long). There are many who will be of the same opinion as myself.

Fair point zante it was a bit OTT.

My idea was to trial the FBL I could try an event, will think about it. Have some ideas.

As for saying the idea would reduce clans and not improve the site, we cannot say that for certain. I'm a firm believer in 'you don't know unless you try'. Surely trying something new is better than not trying at all and keeping to the norm?

This site is blessed with some very good players and nowadays I think it's fair and more apparent to say most if not ALL players can play. I think players if they were drawn out at random MAY get the ONLY opportunity to play alongside the likes of a dvz, beenjammin, zante, erigert, corsair, miss_harriet etc as they aren't EVER going to move to another team.

That in itself could reinvigorate the site, improve current players morale. Surely that is improving the site even if it's just one more player being more content?

Right?

You mean you, right?

No not me, I was born miserable

Would be very difficult to maintain clans for most leagues and then have new clans for another league. Wasn't unheard of when the leagues were ran separately, but it was a little inconvenient with the confusion it brought.

You seem to want a more competitive clan experience, but you want to change/remove the most competitive league. I'm curious as to the contradiction, why is making a format which the top players can't dominate so bad? In the end they still end up at the top but they have to really earn it.