Because you couldn't be bothered

I don't see what is wrong with making straight the same length as others, say a best of 8. Surely you cater for the people who actually want to play straight rather than people who get put in it (because the aren't going to enjoy it much anyway). Best of 8 is the exact format it is now, just changing from individual wins to frames and not giving the option to play all 8 frames if the result is already decided.

I was just suggesting that as a way of keeping time issues out of it.

It would just be nice for straight to have a proper format for once

The FCL for last season with points for a win. Yes some teams played harder games in Div 1 from those in Div 2. So it slightly distorted but it gives you the general idea

For finishing frames, I don't have an issue it would be easier to allow 61 to win the points, less defaults as games could be finished etc and if we have two teams tied at the end of the season let them play off for the league.

For other team that were level they would be 3rd equal for example etc.

Yeah, it's not really much of a change from what we have, with the gigantic 20point bonus as it is.


Can't be any best of in frame count though, every frame counts. We need a set number of straight games because each game has to be decided seperately.
How's 10 frames of others, and 5 games of straight worth 2 points each? Isn't that long enough to be accurate corsair?(would take longer than any other type) Any longer and I'm afraid a lot aren't gonna like it.

Edited at 19:27 Thu 16/07/15 (BST)

I do think that would be worth it

Every frame still counts in a best of, it just means that the title is less likely to be decided by whoever got the opponents who couldn't be bothered at 5-1 down because they are already beaten. Making it best of puts more of an emphasis on beating the better players rather than who can beat the lower teams players by the bigger margin.

e.g. corsair a top player, erigert a run of the mill player and faust a rubbish player

corsair 5-3 erigert (5-3)
corsair 5-2 faust (5-2)
erigert 8-0 faust (5-0)

erigert wins because faust couldn't be bothered, and the title was decided in eri vs faust, instead of corsair vs eri like it should be. That's the point of phase 2 in the leagues. To ensure that a title is decided by how a team performs against the top teams.

Wouldn't you need to make a draw possible in straight? I think the main weakness of the FCL format is that a draw isn't possible, so an even match is guaranteed to end uneven.

If this was to happen you may as well just reduce clans to 8 players and have one fixture set between Pros and Uprising to decide the title!

Thats how i always do good on GC aswell. Beating rubbish players like faust :)

It might as well be like that anyway, the likes of revs and fpd won't be title contenders unto there are more sebs in the world

zan, you're missing my point.
Say it is 8 frames being played in an indiv match,
You can't make the one winning stop at 5 just because the indiv match has been decided, we're not counting indiv match wins!
If 8 frames are to be played, then all 8 points should be winnable, or it's not frame count anymore.

Doesn't matter if a draw is possible or not, because we're not counting indiv match wins.

Edited at 21:34 Thu 16/07/15 (BST)

Not once that I can remember in the last 10 seasons, would there have been a different winner in FCL had this method been used. The 20 point bonus makes it all about team matches anyway.

In theory, yes. But it's not the way it works - I'd wager a hell of a lot of FCL frames are lost because of people not concentrating after "losing" their fixture (speaking from personal experience too)

An informed team player would know every frame counts and try till the end.
I've never given up or quit trying just because I'm behind, or because the indiv match has been decided, not in FCL, not when every frame counts.
I actually ran a player off once from pros, made him want to quit anyway, for attempting to concede his last few frames.

Edited at 22:02 Thu 16/07/15 (BST)

true true

Like in Cup if you have won or say you need 1 frame out of 6 then concentration can be lost but if it is reversed you could gain confidence as its a do or die situation. problem there is 1 mistake and its over so you try and be ultra careful.

different manner in league but get the jist

My point still stands even more games, and thus players, would become meaningless and surplus to requirement.

Again, that is true for yourself and others, but definitely not for everybody. If you want as accurate a league as possible then you do what Zante suggested and remove the possibility for that to occur

That can occur in most all the leagues, frame count and team match, and does.
The only way for that not to occur is for people to be team players, or count indiv match wins (which almost noone seems in favor of, I think maybe everyone agrees isn't the most accurate way).

and zan, please explain how every frame counts in best of, when every frame isn't even played.
Every frame is not counted in best of, therefore it's not frame count. What you have is some sort of indiv match count, even if a few points are made possible for the loser.

Edited at 22:16 Thu 16/07/15 (BST)

It counts at the top, but at the bottom it's highly likely to be meaningless (or the player is less likely to care even if there is any chance it affects the standings.

It is an admirable trait, but you're not the sort of player to take a beating every game so it's a lot easier for you to say. For someone getting a huge beating, the fun can be taken away. No doubt at some point a player with put less effort into a game, all I am saying is "best of" would limit that.

It would, I agree there. I just don't think it's worth the cost, of accuracy lost in our scoring system.

I've got my hopes up here, that we're finally, after 10 seasons, gonna have a league that counts frames without compromise.