Can we get back on topic rather than filling the thread with rubbish.

Thanks

I agree with horse10000 100% that our flagship competition (FCL) can't ever be put in a situation where a team that wins 100% of their games, loses the league to a team that lost to them. I would be happy with any scoring system that wouldn't allow that happening.

I love the specialist nature of the FBL, and actually enjoy the 2 points for a win scoring system. I would however prefer it to be the best of 10 frames.

Edited at 00:37 Thu 16/07/15 (BST)

Not really strange at all, I was a DJ in a hip-hop trio for 4 years!!

BOOM! Sorry Keith, last flippant post from me!

Im in agreement.

horse you have done a superb job so far, take a vote and decide it how you like too as 95% of folk think and thank you for hwta you have done so far..Im fully behind any changes or non changes

I think I know what you meant there, but it's probably confusing to some when you use words like "game" and "win". You're not being very clear.
Didn't you mean team matches?
and indiv match?
Funny how whatever method a person prefers, be it counting indiv match, team matches, frames. Most call the thing they'd rather be counted for points: a "game" or a "win". Like they proved a point or something.
A "game", or whatever is "won", is whatever we decide. and I'll add that in frame count , noone wins 100% of their 'games', but the team that wins the highest % of 'games' does win.
So to get this straight, you can't stand the though of FCL not being scored totally on team match wins.........., but you like FBL counting indiv matches, where team matches win nothing?
What's wrong with FBL counting frames then? team matches mean nothing either way. In other words, pick a preference. Is it team matches? or indiv matches?

Edited at 01:07 Thu 16/07/15 (BST)

I'm not opposed to any format of scoring in the FBL or the SL. It's only the FCL I'm rather precious about. I personally would like your preferred way of scoring implemented into the SL.

As I've said before, I do think the frame counting system promotes teams exclusively picking their best players for every single fixture, and dissuades bigger clans recruiting less established players - but I could handle that for just one league out of three.

The majority of players would class winning all games against all other clans as the games not the 120 frames that you play within that game. And the team who wins all games even 61-59 should win the league which is a simple format for all team sport, which most would agree is what a clan game is. That is why I suggested the change to FCL so the above is the case with no need for bonus points to tweak a flawed format.

I have no problem using Frames won on another league, which is why I suggested the FBL to change to allow formats for both. So players who prefer either format get a league with their personal preference.

The gsc cup would still hold the 2 point for a win format so current fbl format would still exist with in it.

Super league would remain short to make it different.

There are probably other small tweaks that could be done, but I believe that the 4 competitions run as above in their different formats, allow something for everyone.

faust,
Indiv match does that just the same! but you don't have any problem with it?
SL doesn't have a long enough format to count frames accurately, and we need to keep one short league, so smaller teams have a chance somewhere.

keith, call them what they are, team matches. Just went over this! lol and like I said,: you prefer team match count so you want to see team matches called games. Just as anyone preferring something else will want to call that a game. If we call them what they are specifically it's much more polite, and less confusing.

and yeah as I said I like your idea, just trying to defend it.

Please stop calling frame count flawed though, nothings flawed, it just isn't how you like it. I could say the same about team matches, and indiv matches. But I respect that they're simply a different opinion than my own.
I can stop and look at them from the other perspective, and there's nothing flawed about any of them if they're the one a person prefers.
and where you said "most", I'd say a very slim majority.

something for everyone, yes!

Edited at 01:35 Thu 16/07/15 (BST)

I'm ignorant here.. I only know the ways of snooker league.. Each frame win is a point and if all games in a fixture are completed that's 7 bonus ponits.. Plus bonus points for half cents or cents.. What's the differences..

8 v 8 in FCL.
Bonus points not really supported as its unfair because one person gets to break three times whilst the other does it twice (especially in types like 8uk).
Default bonuses are a lot more tricky on pool due to more arguments and a lot of tactical subs and in some cases, not subbing.

That sounds almost like this isn't a game and people should see it as it is...WAIT....

Completion bonuses didn't work over here, and bonus points are in the SL. Snooker is most like an FBL format match, so a pure frame count would work best there with games.

Here's my understanding of what we currently have:
FCL, every frame won counts as a point, plus you get 20 bonus points for every team match won, and 10 for each team match drawn.
FBL, points for winning individual matches, none for frames or team matches
SL, points for winning team matches. Team matches decided by a point for each frame won and a bonus point for each runout/GB, but these are just for deciding the team match, they don't count overall.
Cup, knockout format using team matches. Team matches decided by points for individual match wins.

Keith's idea (which I like) is to have:
FCL stops counting frames, just points for team match wins on the overall table. Frame count used in case of a tie.
FBL, stops counting indiv match wins. Every frame won will be a point on the overall table. No bonuses for team matches or indiv matches.
SL and Cup remain the same. (though he is considering adding killer back to the SL, but that's unrelated really)

We'd finally have one competition scored by frame count without compromise, in a format long enough to be accurate.

Edited at 17:39 Thu 16/07/15 (BST)

If this is the proposed new idea then +1 from me. Sounds good and also has a nice, mixed variety from league to league.

If the FBL changes to that what will happen to Straight? 4 or 5 frames worth 2 points each?

yeah I suggested 10 frames of most types, and 3 or 4 games of straight, counting 2 points each, Less points available from straight because of the higher likelyhood of a whitewash.

FCL: Will the bonus points be completely scrapped?
FBL: What about straight - surely 1 point is pointless (so to speak) and a waste of anyone's precious time. Will Killer be returned to this League?
SL: Still the same SHORT format?

yes, but what they represent (team match wins) will rule.
So the purpose of the old bonus points (counting team match wins) would be strengthened, not scrapped.

Don't penalise the straight players, they always get a raw deal. Either make it worth the same amount with a decent format or remove it

That's totally debatable, I'm not bothered much either way, be there 5 games played worth 10 points, or 4 worth 8. Would hate to see it removed though.