no subs or swaps just means no games played or active players having to play when they aren't planning to because inactive players appear.
I'm all for rules to eliminate tactical subs and I'm not playing for xvth msn next season but I don't agree with ruining genuine subs in the process.

128 People playing clan pool. No-one has an issue with how 127 of them operate under these current rules. Should we really consider a complete overhaul because of one individual? It's very rare in life that something succeeds when you pander to the lowest common denominator. I'd rather stick to the rules and have a week of arguments everytime it happens myself.

I agree.

I havent really been following this discussion, so i apologise if this has been suggested already.

Its seems swaps are generally mostly used for any match fixing, so what if you had unlimited subs, no swaps, and if a player is subbed out of a fixture they cant be subbed back in..

Have we though? Don't think so, that's just your opinion and all your mates will back you up. Are we self obsessed/involved? I think with the continuous isolation and us feeling segregated then its easier to just focus on ourselves and survive that way. Then we can't be accused of anything even though we still are via our thread due to us being the easy targets also to fulfill some entertainment for other clans with them being boring in comparison.

To be honest I personally don't have any issues with tactical subs but the amount been made and the reasons for them is just ridiculous and has got out of hand, no other clans do it as most people play for fun so it means nothing win or lose. Ash will do whatever is needed to try and win as It means that much to him, pretty sad that it's got to that point tbh

majority ??????
there is around 90+ clan players give or take a few

you have no more than 10 people posting
so please don't speak or quote on behalf of the majority who have had no input at all

faust, I would have to say I would change the rules to eradicate the leagues one root issue. If we change the rules so the one can't do what they are doing then I belive 127 people would be happier. Ideally The one would see the light and actually show some integrity but I fear season after season of the same crap. A rule change for the negative worth making in my opinion.

Can you edit and change the "we" and "us" to "I" and "me" please?

How about you carry on reading before you post again

I have said the same 10 people are on here all the time, and that a fair vote would require the ballot being posted on each clans thread.

Chris you're opinion has been proven to be correct, further proof is in the posts recently made.

I say, make changes where ever you see fit, as long as they remain consistent and fair on ALL teams and do not further isolate or alienate us then we will welcome and embrace them.

To be honest, most rules and regulations are consistent for All as they are, proven with hardly any defaults, matches being played. So whereas changes are good and welcome, keeping them as minimal as possible would be better.

Why would any rule he made isolate one team? He isn't going to say that every is allowed 3 subs per fixture, except PD's they get 1

To be fair ^ those minority people are captains/VC's or heavily influential within their own clan and will talk with their own members, so more than likely represent the members of those clans and of others they speak to. As for the rest, they choose not to post. Take that into account and it's not going to be a dissimilar proportion of people who don't vote in a general election.

Best thing to do is hold this open discussion then let captains talk to their clan and come up with a vote, one vote per clan.

Have to disagree here. Yeah you are because you do things to suit yourself not others. Other clans would make a sub to try and accommodate other players so no further subs need to be made.

And the segregation came after the attitude adopted, not the other way round. You say other clans feel threatened by yours but that is simply untrue. Black Scorpions have come closer to winning something than yours and PD's have won things. Your survivalist attitude comes from trying to project yourself as closer to the teams above you than below you. The teams above have done nothing but welcome your competition, but you've gone about things in the wrong way.

Telling us we aren't in the top two anymore and have fallen way off it, saying you are going to smash us in the FCL. Neither had provocation, yet we respond to that and become the source of the problem in your eyes.

If you want to fix that segregation then don't act so radical, don't prejudge, don't adopt the persona of an underdog fighting the system.

OK first question...

Do you want any changes at all to the current subs/swaps rules?

A simple YES or NO.

Nothing else. Nothing about the way anybody operates because it is irrelevant to the rules as they currently stand. And nothing about any optional or minor changes to the rules.

Feel free to go back to your electorate and prepare for governm....oops I mean go back to your clans and get one simple consensus opinion from each on that one question.

Come back by Sunday night and post an answer for each clan.

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Does everyone just read what they want on this page?

I have clearly said twice, that's TWICE that I have said the same 10 people are on here all the time, and that a fair vote would require the ballot being posted on each clans thread.

If players don't post its their loss really, I personally would vote to change as arguments happen each time XV man makes a sub but as a whole i think XV man are happy as things stand.

Yeah, but what nobody seems to be mentioning is that the views on here aren't necessarily the majority and any thoughts would have to be posted on all threads to get a global opinion...

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