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18:29 Tue 27 Jan 15 (GMT) [Link]
I only intended seeing if players were happy in principle to trial three separate systems - not start a full blown debate on the actual detail.
Lets decide one thing at a time?
However there would be no half measures, no Captains or League Runner interference in any system. If you were to put an inactive player into a fixture and you have used your subs or have no subs then that is your own bad luck. It is like a Sunday football team not turning up for a fixture - the opposition gets the result.
That works in FBL with 2 matches of each type. IF a clan had a player with a non UK core hour preference time then they could place them into Match 1 of any given game type.
Lets decide one thing at a time?
However there would be no half measures, no Captains or League Runner interference in any system. If you were to put an inactive player into a fixture and you have used your subs or have no subs then that is your own bad luck. It is like a Sunday football team not turning up for a fixture - the opposition gets the result.
I think this is a great idea, but in FBL you could look at derik_dalton idea that you put your evening players into one group day players into another etc as this will help alleviate defaults
That works in FBL with 2 matches of each type. IF a clan had a player with a non UK core hour preference time then they could place them into Match 1 of any given game type.
18:30 Tue 27 Jan 15 (GMT) [Link]
Why do we have to go from one extreme to another? Keep SL with unlimited subs, thats fine. But no subs at all in Fbl and no subs till second wednesday is too radical, cant think how that could help at all.
A possibility for next season as a trial...
Super League - Unlimited subs. The aim of SL games is purely to beat the direct opponents over the course of five individual matches. That means so called tactical subs are a fully legitimate means to an end. It also makes it easier for clans with two teams to cover inactive players and get matches played.
FBL - No subs. Each Captain to take responsibility for fielding a team list with active players in their preferred game types. Players have an uninterrupted two weeks to get a game played with one opponent with both making concessions as necessary to find a suitable time. Any increased defaults are easier to score on the basis of it being limited to options from 0-0 to 2-0. This will also reward active clans and active and keen players.
FCL - Limited subs (the final details still to be decided). Something along the lines of three per clan per fixture with no changes until Wednesday of the second week. Swaps to class as one sub.
Just depends if people are prepared to give all of these a go for one season?
Otherwise let the discussion commence again for something else.
Super League - Unlimited subs. The aim of SL games is purely to beat the direct opponents over the course of five individual matches. That means so called tactical subs are a fully legitimate means to an end. It also makes it easier for clans with two teams to cover inactive players and get matches played.
FBL - No subs. Each Captain to take responsibility for fielding a team list with active players in their preferred game types. Players have an uninterrupted two weeks to get a game played with one opponent with both making concessions as necessary to find a suitable time. Any increased defaults are easier to score on the basis of it being limited to options from 0-0 to 2-0. This will also reward active clans and active and keen players.
FCL - Limited subs (the final details still to be decided). Something along the lines of three per clan per fixture with no changes until Wednesday of the second week. Swaps to class as one sub.
Just depends if people are prepared to give all of these a go for one season?
Otherwise let the discussion commence again for something else.
Why do we have to go from one extreme to another? Keep SL with unlimited subs, thats fine. But no subs at all in Fbl and no subs till second wednesday is too radical, cant think how that could help at all.
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18:33 Tue 27 Jan 15 (GMT) [Link]
Our method works well for us - each to their own - (If it ain't broke, no need to fix it!)
You can do as you please so can the others, we will continue to adopt the way we operate, with regards to Captains and Vices.
They can make subs just they will continue to speak to either myself or friendyboy before making any. Our prerogative how we operate - ALL our matches are getting played, nothing to change on this topic.
You can do as you please so can the others, we will continue to adopt the way we operate, with regards to Captains and Vices.
They can make subs just they will continue to speak to either myself or friendyboy before making any. Our prerogative how we operate - ALL our matches are getting played, nothing to change on this topic.
18:49 Tue 27 Jan 15 (GMT) [Link]
Every clan works well with each other except for one within the current set of rules. Surely any change should be targeted at the root cause rather than a complete overhaul of a historically successful system?
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18:54 Tue 27 Jan 15 (GMT) [Link]
If you want my really honest opinion, I think the current system works fine for all clans. Its not a fault with the system at all, its a personal issue and no doubt that will raise its head over any system, or even over something else completely different if the subs issue gets taken out of the equation.
And it will always be so until some people just decide to get over themselves, realise some things are more important and get on with it.
That said, I will still make any changes that the majority think will benefit everyone.
And it will always be so until some people just decide to get over themselves, realise some things are more important and get on with it.
That said, I will still make any changes that the majority think will benefit everyone.
18:59 Tue 27 Jan 15 (GMT) [Link]
Agree with the first paragraph. The 2nd is a matter of perspective. It's much easier to embrace that opinion when it's not you suffering. You as a runner should be pleased that most of us take your leagues so seriously! lol
If you want my really honest opinion, I think the current system works fine for all clans. Its not a fault with the system at all, its a personal issue and no doubt that will raise its head over any system, or even over something else completely different if the subs issue gets taken out of the equation.
And it will always be so until some people just decide to get over themselves, realise some things are more important and get on with it.
That said, I will still make any changes that the majority think will benefit everyone.
And it will always be so until some people just decide to get over themselves, realise some things are more important and get on with it.
That said, I will still make any changes that the majority think will benefit everyone.
Agree with the first paragraph. The 2nd is a matter of perspective. It's much easier to embrace that opinion when it's not you suffering. You as a runner should be pleased that most of us take your leagues so seriously! lol
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21:09 Tue 27 Jan 15 (GMT) [Link]
Next season can we revert back to 4 frames of each in the Super League with runouts GB as a bonus.
If you want to change something change the Players Championship to the way the SL is now,that will most likely give all clan players a good chance of winning something for themselves.
If you want to change something change the Players Championship to the way the SL is now,that will most likely give all clan players a good chance of winning something for themselves.
21:20 Tue 27 Jan 15 (GMT) [Link]
Sounds good to me
A possibility for next season as a trial...
Super League - Unlimited subs. The aim of SL games is purely to beat the direct opponents over the course of five individual matches. That means so called tactical subs are a fully legitimate means to an end. It also makes it easier for clans with two teams to cover inactive players and get matches played.
FBL - No subs. Each Captain to take responsibility for fielding a team list with active players in their preferred game types. Players have an uninterrupted two weeks to get a game played with one opponent with both making concessions as necessary to find a suitable time. Any increased defaults are easier to score on the basis of it being limited to options from 0-0 to 2-0. This will also reward active clans and active and keen players.
FCL - Limited subs (the final details still to be decided). Something along the lines of three per clan per fixture with no changes until Wednesday of the second week. Swaps to class as one sub.
Just depends if people are prepared to give all of these a go for one season?
Otherwise let the discussion commence again for something else.
Super League - Unlimited subs. The aim of SL games is purely to beat the direct opponents over the course of five individual matches. That means so called tactical subs are a fully legitimate means to an end. It also makes it easier for clans with two teams to cover inactive players and get matches played.
FBL - No subs. Each Captain to take responsibility for fielding a team list with active players in their preferred game types. Players have an uninterrupted two weeks to get a game played with one opponent with both making concessions as necessary to find a suitable time. Any increased defaults are easier to score on the basis of it being limited to options from 0-0 to 2-0. This will also reward active clans and active and keen players.
FCL - Limited subs (the final details still to be decided). Something along the lines of three per clan per fixture with no changes until Wednesday of the second week. Swaps to class as one sub.
Just depends if people are prepared to give all of these a go for one season?
Otherwise let the discussion commence again for something else.
Sounds good to me
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22:12 Tue 27 Jan 15 (GMT) [Link]
Why do we want three long format leagues? This provides a different type of challenge in that you have to be on your game from the start. There have been far more close fixtures in SL than any other League so far which must be a good thing. I do agree the Event bonuses are less likely in, and can potentially skew, a short format game. They might be better in the FBL with longer format games of a single type?
Next season can we revert back to 4 frames of each in the Super League with runouts GB as a bonus.
If you want to change something change the Players Championship to the way the SL is now,that will most likely give all clan players a good chance of winning something for themselves.
If you want to change something change the Players Championship to the way the SL is now,that will most likely give all clan players a good chance of winning something for themselves.
Why do we want three long format leagues? This provides a different type of challenge in that you have to be on your game from the start. There have been far more close fixtures in SL than any other League so far which must be a good thing. I do agree the Event bonuses are less likely in, and can potentially skew, a short format game. They might be better in the FBL with longer format games of a single type?
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22:15 Tue 27 Jan 15 (GMT) [Link]
Got to laugh at the way this has gone.
Simple solution to tactical subbing is getting permission for subs from your opponents but that was vetoed on the grounds that it could hinder getting games done.
Instead you want no substitutions at all in one league and to make people wait 9 days out of a 14 day fixture to get a sub?!
You think that is helping to get games played?! LMAO
Probably 1 in 50 subs that are made in the league are tactical and you don't get any defaults at the moment so why the hell would you go to these extremes...you've all gone a bit cuckoo i'm afraid
Leaving it as it is would be much better than this suggestion.
Simple solution to tactical subbing is getting permission for subs from your opponents but that was vetoed on the grounds that it could hinder getting games done.
Instead you want no substitutions at all in one league and to make people wait 9 days out of a 14 day fixture to get a sub?!
You think that is helping to get games played?! LMAO
Probably 1 in 50 subs that are made in the league are tactical and you don't get any defaults at the moment so why the hell would you go to these extremes...you've all gone a bit cuckoo i'm afraid
Leaving it as it is would be much better than this suggestion.
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22:18 Tue 27 Jan 15 (GMT) [Link]
* SL - Unlimited
* FBL - 2 Subs (Entire 2nd week ONLY) - you have to allow at least 1 or 2 subs due to unexpected situations or a player is simply not available.
* FCL - 2 Subs (Entire 2nd week ONLY)
* 1 player per opponent
* 1 Swap permitted in FCL ONLY
* FBL - 2 Subs (Entire 2nd week ONLY) - you have to allow at least 1 or 2 subs due to unexpected situations or a player is simply not available.
* FCL - 2 Subs (Entire 2nd week ONLY)
* 1 player per opponent
* 1 Swap permitted in FCL ONLY
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22:22 Tue 27 Jan 15 (GMT) [Link]
Why do we want three long format leagues? This provides a different type of challenge in that you have to be on your game from the start. There have been far more close fixtures in SL than any other League so far which must be a good thing. I do agree the Event bonuses are less likely in, and can potentially skew, a short format game. They might be better in the FBL with longer format games of a single type?
We have 3 long ones already (although PC) is optional,leaves 2 FBL FCL .They are both fine as it is,like the FCL apart from some rules being spoke of at the minute.Can we even add 1 extra frame to the SL and drop 1 frame each in the PC it does give all players an even advantage apart from the break off amount which can be random.
Just thinking of some small changes is all.
Next season can we revert back to 4 frames of each in the Super League with runouts GB as a bonus.
If you want to change something change the Players Championship to the way the SL is now,that will most likely give all clan players a good chance of winning something for themselves.
If you want to change something change the Players Championship to the way the SL is now,that will most likely give all clan players a good chance of winning something for themselves.
Why do we want three long format leagues? This provides a different type of challenge in that you have to be on your game from the start. There have been far more close fixtures in SL than any other League so far which must be a good thing. I do agree the Event bonuses are less likely in, and can potentially skew, a short format game. They might be better in the FBL with longer format games of a single type?
We have 3 long ones already (although PC) is optional,leaves 2 FBL FCL .They are both fine as it is,like the FCL apart from some rules being spoke of at the minute.Can we even add 1 extra frame to the SL and drop 1 frame each in the PC it does give all players an even advantage apart from the break off amount which can be random.
Just thinking of some small changes is all.
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22:22 Tue 27 Jan 15 (GMT) [Link]
I actually posted it was a 'possibility' as a trial - not a done deal.
But yes I will veto anything permissions based as it brings personalities into it.
Got to laugh at the way this has gone.
Simple solution to tactical subbing is getting permission for subs from your opponents but that was vetoed on the grounds that it could hinder getting games done.
Instead you want no substitutions at all in one league and to make people wait 9 days out of a 14 day fixture to get a sub?!
You think that is helping to get games played?! LMAO
Probably 1 in 50 subs that are made in the league are tactical and you don't get any defaults at the moment so why the hell would you go to these extremes...you've all gone a bit cuckoo i'm afraid
Leaving it as it is would be much better than this suggestion.
Simple solution to tactical subbing is getting permission for subs from your opponents but that was vetoed on the grounds that it could hinder getting games done.
Instead you want no substitutions at all in one league and to make people wait 9 days out of a 14 day fixture to get a sub?!
You think that is helping to get games played?! LMAO
Probably 1 in 50 subs that are made in the league are tactical and you don't get any defaults at the moment so why the hell would you go to these extremes...you've all gone a bit cuckoo i'm afraid
Leaving it as it is would be much better than this suggestion.
I actually posted it was a 'possibility' as a trial - not a done deal.
But yes I will veto anything permissions based as it brings personalities into it.
22:28 Tue 27 Jan 15 (GMT) [Link]
For FBL if you go with no subs, with 2 points for each individual game. If a team gets to 9 points and has won the fixture. The team gets 2 points for the team win. There are only a few fixtures per season where the 7th or 8th game have been meaningful. So the majority of unplayed games will mean nothing. If two teams are level on points at the end of the season they then play off to decide who wins the league.
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22:33 Tue 27 Jan 15 (GMT) [Link]
Just to clarify - my own intention was not to establish three leagues all with different sub rules. It was to trial the three sub variations for a season and see which works the most effectively to use it across the three.
I only explained why I was advocating allocating each option to each League.
I only explained why I was advocating allocating each option to each League.
23:09 Tue 27 Jan 15 (GMT) [Link]
It may not have been what you wanted but I do think that the different league formats fit into different rules for subs. Also by making the rules different for each you can add a different dimension on to the various formats.
02:15 Wed 28 Jan 15 (GMT) [Link]
I'd happily give this a bash, if there is no arguments over certain games then we know its the system and not personal.
Personally I think its certain people arguing or people making situations more difficult.
All I know is I'm pretty fed up and ive ran a clan 9 seasons consecutively.
A possibility for next season as a trial...
Super League - Unlimited subs. The aim of SL games is purely to beat the direct opponents over the course of five individual matches. That means so called tactical subs are a fully legitimate means to an end. It also makes it easier for clans with two teams to cover inactive players and get matches played.
FBL - No subs. Each Captain to take responsibility for fielding a team list with active players in their preferred game types. Players have an uninterrupted two weeks to get a game played with one opponent with both making concessions as necessary to find a suitable time. Any increased defaults are easier to score on the basis of it being limited to options from 0-0 to 2-0. This will also reward active clans and active and keen players.
FCL - Limited subs (the final details still to be decided). Something along the lines of three per clan per fixture with no changes until Wednesday of the second week. Swaps to class as one sub.
Just depends if people are prepared to give all of these a go for one season?
Otherwise let the discussion commence again for something else.
Super League - Unlimited subs. The aim of SL games is purely to beat the direct opponents over the course of five individual matches. That means so called tactical subs are a fully legitimate means to an end. It also makes it easier for clans with two teams to cover inactive players and get matches played.
FBL - No subs. Each Captain to take responsibility for fielding a team list with active players in their preferred game types. Players have an uninterrupted two weeks to get a game played with one opponent with both making concessions as necessary to find a suitable time. Any increased defaults are easier to score on the basis of it being limited to options from 0-0 to 2-0. This will also reward active clans and active and keen players.
FCL - Limited subs (the final details still to be decided). Something along the lines of three per clan per fixture with no changes until Wednesday of the second week. Swaps to class as one sub.
Just depends if people are prepared to give all of these a go for one season?
Otherwise let the discussion commence again for something else.
I'd happily give this a bash, if there is no arguments over certain games then we know its the system and not personal.
Personally I think its certain people arguing or people making situations more difficult.
All I know is I'm pretty fed up and ive ran a clan 9 seasons consecutively.
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08:24 Wed 28 Jan 15 (GMT) [Link]
I actually posted it was a 'possibility' as a trial - not a done deal.
But yes I will veto anything permissions based as it brings personalities into it.
Okay, a valid reason.
An honest question here not having a pop at anyone but some captains and vices still can't grasp the very simple current sub rules after years...are they going to be able to get their heads around 3 new different systems?
I actually posted it was a 'possibility' as a trial - not a done deal.
But yes I will veto anything permissions based as it brings personalities into it.
Okay, a valid reason.
An honest question here not having a pop at anyone but some captains and vices still can't grasp the very simple current sub rules after years...are they going to be able to get their heads around 3 new different systems?
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11:31 Wed 28 Jan 15 (GMT) [Link]
I don't think anyone hasn't grasped the current sub rules, I think its more that a few don't like what it has become.
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