It's not the subbing as that's perfectly within the rules to make as many subs and swaps as you want, It's the bs excuses for doing them. It's great knowing that you need to keep making subs to stand any chance of beating us no matter what lineup we put out, and It makes it more great that It's against a team you had written off at the start of the season.

If you can't play games due to personal reasons Ash why put yourself in knowing what's going happen, no excuses at all for the game against Davy, once he offered the rematch It was obvious you were never going to play it, Davy should of refused play anyone else tho tbh and we should of punished you for it

Not being funny mate, but you did used to select emz when she was offline for a while. Yes, she always got her games played, but always usually in a 2 hour window on the weekends, not giving much flexibility to her oppos

Very true and the reason she's no longer in the team is I released her due to exactly that 'not being active enough'.

'Sorry but think it's best we release you from the team, unfortunately not active enough and it's unfair on the rest of the team. I'm sure you understand, been an absolute pleasure to have you in my teams before but this season just isn't working.'

31/12/2014: 13:17pm

I can think of both Imran and davybaumers that this has happened to off the top of my head, and I don't think they were the only cases so it is more than a one time occurrence.

I didn't make any subs vs davybaumers I had to rush out.

Lfc12 subbed himself in after hippesville , in order to get the match played

Edited at 11:53 Tue 27/01/15 (GMT)

To be honest, they could have said "I have earned this 3-0 lead and if you sub i will continue from 3-0" then teams wouldn't have a choice but they said "We can restart from 0-0" so the score should be from 0-0 not 3-0 as it is now.

Chris could change it so you must continue from that score regardless but that takes away peoples ability to think for themselves

He had you, hippes and lfc12 as opponents subbed in within 24 hours did he not?

No one is particularly bothered who makes the sub, if 10 people all made a sub of a different player in one match it still messes up an opponent as much as if it was one person making them. Plus you did said you are involved in a discussion with someone else about every sub your clan makes, so you still had a say in that?

Limited subs would probably stop a situation like that happening, or enforcing a time limit before another sub in that match can be made (1-3 days). Therefore you know when you get a sub that you'll be given a decent chance to get the game played against them (and captains would be less likely to wait till near deadline day to make a sub at the expense of an active opponent.

Not on this occasion no, like I said I rushed out to be with me mum, I trust my Co Captain and Vices can make their own decisions, we discuss everything usually though that is correct.

After Davy and Ash had agreed to a restart, why did we accept any subs after that? I know there's no limit but after Davy giving up a 3-0 lead and agreeing to restart the match again that shouldn't of been acceptable

But he was lead to believe there wouldn't be a sub, with an active opponent and over 3 days till the deadline there was no need for that active player to sub out because they could've played another time. He couldn't really claim the 3-0 once he realised Ash wasn't going to play.

The issue was that the 3-0 reset was never communicated on the forum until after another game had played. It's in the rules that it should be clearly verifiable to avoid dispute and agreed by clan and player. There isn't anything to change in the rules because what is needed is already wrote in.

Fair enough, but still 3 opponents in a short space of time isn't good at all, regardless of who makes the subs.

True but that wasn't Karl's fault, the fault lies with Ash and Davy as they knew about the 3-0, was it posted? if so their isn't much excuse but if it wasn't posted then it is a lesson learned for everyone that results (even partial) must be posted as it could have been avoided as Faust or any Uprising member could have said "Davy your in a great position here, don't restart the match as you need two frames" then it would be Davy's fault if he agreed.

Another two lessons are...

XV Man - Shouldn't be too quick to sub but has the leagues (except Super League) ever had a rule where you can sub in Partial games? If not then may have been wrong to sub but Karl was thinking about getting games done which unfortunately made this Big Hole.

Uprising - Don't Accept the offer of a restart and force XV Man to play with their player as long as Uprising made effort then would be nothing to worry about.

I also think its a lesson for players to read the rules (I admit i don't do it unless theirs something i don't understand but most players know rules anyway) then this can be avoided in future.

Yeah there have been, but the team subbing a player in couldn't score points (4-0 continued into 7-8 would finish as 7-0).

That would probably have happened had we known.

That's a very good point about rules, players should be aware of where to find the rules should they need to look through them (and it is wise for them to have at least skim read the rules). Captains should be able to follow the rules without breaking them, I would expect them to consult the rules should they have any doubt about something otherwise there's a risk of breaking them.

Yeah true, maybe a silver lining after all

I'm not reading all this again, lazy mans way.
Have we got anywhere regarding subs/swaps how many etc.

Nope

Thought as much.

You have got more chance of getting an answer by asking Siri

Hard enough asking on here for an answer I think il check the end of my tea cup for a correct assumption

I usually find 10-15 pints of beer answers most questions