Looks like a decent way to do it to me chris
Give it a blast and see how it goes.

Good point.

As always, whatever changes might occur, people will oppose it until it either shows that it's a good system (then people pipe down), or it makes matters worse (then the people say how the old days were better).

No one will ever come up to you and pat you on the back for changes, just gotta go ahead and see which one works best for the league runners.

As the 'main' reason for subs should only be to avoid defaults, hence why subs were introduced, not manipulate fixtures. But as the current situation on subs allows any subs at any time, the subs have been used to gain an advantage in team play, rather than for its primary reason.

I think whichever system makes it easier for the league runners to give a default result should be the system to go for.

Purely from a default scoring perspective only, there's no doubt the current system works best. There has only been one FBL and one SL unplayed game all season and few last season too.

Bearing in mind we also crossed the Christmas and New Year period which we were told would be clan armageddon for defaults!!

Apart from the obvious comments that people will say about certain clans, if the best way for the default situation is the current one, then unless someone can suggest something radical, it might as well stay as it is.

Only a couple of defaults kinda says it all...

But less defaults is not neccessarily best, give us 3 week deadlines and I'm sure those defaults would drop to zero almost every season. Doesn't make it a good thing. You need to balance out lowering defaults with the enjoyment of the league as a whole. If people aren't happy with how current rules allow people to behave in substitutions, then this should be addressed. There's been several results which should not stand under the rules but have been allowed to stand by opposition. So it isn't definitely not purely down to the system as to the low defaults.

agreed the idea is not to have defaults

old cliche if it broken don't try and fix it

this and zantes later post hits the nail on the head. The current system is without a shadow of a doubt the best way to avoid default. What the folk saying it should remain the same should wonder is why are so many folk willing a change to a system where defaults are more likely. As per it boils down to the same outcome as most current issues. While you have that issue then I'd much rather defaults than what we currently have to put up with. I Happily go to no subs or swaps to eradicate the main current issue. If defaults are a byproduct of a happier league, so be it.

pleased you don't run the league


happier with defaults lol
says it all really

When I had a brief stint in charge I inplememted unlimited subs to eradicate defaults. Now your arguing my case at the time. Yes I'd be awful at running it haha. Woops.

* 12 Players ONLY
* No Subs nor Swaps after fixtures release
* Will Reverse Swaps should they be deemed unnecessary
* Players have entire 14 days to play their matches, no rush.
* Everyone knows in advance how we will operate
* Argument Free Zone
* All players will be RELIABLE, QUALITY, GOOD COMMUNICATORS and very much TEAM players.

Can no 15th man members remember them rules made up by your captain, I don't remember any of you biting his head off about it anyway

That was for Team: Xiiith Man - Not relevant to the current side XVth Man.

When I posted them set of idea/rules for us all I got were that's unfair on all the others and constant whining. The only way that would be implemented is if all sides followed the same precedent and teams were reduced to 12. That would give the opportunity to have either two sides for some teams (due to their desire to hang on to their mates) so no one lost their loyalty or Captain. It would increase the amount of teams too.

It makes no difference what team it was for, I was just pointing it out as it only seems to be people from your clan that are not happy with no subs or swaps, how things have panned out most people would probs prefer it now If you stuck to your no swaps or subs rule

I think Rules are there to be bent or used to your advantage but doesn't mean they are necessary right. A rule can always be bettered and modified all depends on the reasoning and what the ultimate end goal is for the changes. If it's to appease some and get the upper hand over another person/team then leave them alone. If it's to address, increase the leagues integrity, consistency and will improve the environment for EVERYONE then change is good and welcome. :-)

So whereas I said: If it ain't broke don't fix it, I'm not necessarily right.

Surely the majority vote counts, and it certainly seems the majority want some rules to change the way the subs work.

I wouldn't be so sure it's a majority Chappy.

If it was asked on every thread, then I think that would fair, because how many people even bother looking at this thread, apart from like the usual 10 people lol

Pool sharks and others have constantly tried putting ineligible players into games all season and there are only very basic rules for eligibility at the moment.
I can see anarchy ahead, games getting played then results wiped because of all these rules.
A standard no subs unless a player is offline 4 days would be better...You've got to allow for normal subs too.

i want a rule change as one team has crapped all over the integrity of the league and ruined the environment. If that clan wasn't so self involved and self obsessed and actually wanted a better environment for all then they could simply achieve that and the rules could stay the same. While they don't though then rules changes are the only option in order to restore the fun most people once had who now don't.

I think if one question were asked at a time on each thread giving three possible boxes to tick then we could go down that route.

Atm it's just a clash of ideas or free for all and no real success in implementing anything even on a trial basis

Eg. IF we were to make any changes to the FBL how many subs would you consider to be suitable for ALL teams to be able to cope with?

1. NONE
2. One-two
3. None but 1 Swap only

Then would be interesting see the result

if you have a player only available the first week and their opposition only available the second week then that rule favours one clan. So one team has the ability to ask for come and go 7 days while the other clan only for 3 days. You can't really have a partial ban on subs or swaps without the chance of it favouring one team.