beating no drum

its the same as the old system
people review info and post a prediction whats new ????
all your doing is knocking points off

if a player makes no effort he gets zero

so please explain whats so new between the old system and this apart from guessing a score to start

how and why would you guess a score if the player made no effort at all its totally hypothetical

in 7 defaults in FCL 7 players were awarded zero
so its the majority of defaults that fall into this category

OMG!! If you make no effort you get NO POINTS!!!!

If you make a decent effort you get your full allocation of predicted points. How is it not different and the whole point is if you are offline the whole time you get none of your allocation.

Craig.....go and find an adult and get them to read it to you slowly please

Because this way you get fair score on your own ability, rather than the rest of your teams ability.

Which i am pretty sure you were whining on about yesterday...

a default panel would've done the same and arrived at what you've done if info was sent in from both anyway

but were a player makes no effort you wouldn't need to start at
8-7

you would award points surrounding info sent
which is what your doing anyway

You still don't get it do you...

no craig the fact that theres an active panel repped by every team is going to be a detterent to captains not doing there upmost to get games played, if youve got 8 active reps on a default panel and they can see a problem game, then one from another team can offer a soloution.
obviously then if this is not paid attention too, the one thet dosent play ball will then be punished
The active panel can act as a prevention not a soloution, the soloution in the average score is there to be used and tweaked accordingly.
The soloution is more or less in the prevention, capatins will not keep inactive,deactivated players in fixtures for days at a time because theres a panel there to note thier antics.
That way evety player should have a fair shot a game completion within the time restraints which in a way is how the ols system worked but obv threre shouldnt be any defaults cos theres active members there to prevent them with there input

How can a default panel come to the same if the info was sent in if the game never existed.

Someone put up a pic of a monkey face palming themselves please.

If you are going to use a measure of central tendency in the default panel, I would recommend the mode and use the mean if there are 2 modes.

The only problem I would have with that is if people aren't entirely sure, they're going to stick a score that's in the middle.

Also, it can be unfair to players who work their backsides off to get 100% effort, only to recieve 1 point. I am presuming this is for next season, perhaps the criteria for effort could be tweaked. E.g. 80% effort results in all the score given, above that means a little extra is given (3 frames max, and no extras given which put a match over 15 points.

This also means that effort doesn't have to be sustained everyday against an opponent who doesn't want to know. As 80% effort should be plenty to get a game played

Exactly, as derik has pointed out. The panel members will be able to try and prevent defaults.

As we all know prevention is better than a cure.

If the advice is not listened to, then it will be detrimental to your team.

But if the default does happen, then we have a system in place to not penalise the team that tried.

of course i get it
so you guess 8 points is what you would've achieved
and that's what you get

so in one visits summoning up
id have got 5 instead of 4 against pro frog

of course i get it

flawed

if you deducted the 10 points that frog wouldve won, thats fair

making no effort to play he gets zero
i get 5

in that scenario in some games you prefer it went to default
because if your supposed to be the better player your opponents default score would be a poor allocation anyway

what do i not understand

I agree but instead of putting an 80% figure on it make an example of a 100% default ie messaging straight away, then every so and so and posting x or y on the thread. If you say this is how you achieve 100% you have something to judge how much effort directly against. It doesn't take long to repeat 'when can you play' regardless of if your opponent has logged in or not.

This system is to try and give players, who made the effort, the score that they would hopefully have got in the match.

The reason I have tried to pick cap/vc's is because they deal with results and will usually have seen how a player is doing, by noticing scores etc.

I admit, the system is not perfect, but will hopefully penalise the member trying to get his game played.

Why would you prefer if a game went to default against a better oppo.

Doing this means you are guaranteed 0 points... when if you actually played the match, you might get more...

Just to clarify, zero points doesn't necessarily mean zero effort. In most cases it means no info was handed in.

In Chappys suggestion, that default panel don't get sent any info. That still goes to the runners. That panel makes a judgement call about a scoreline, the runners decide the effort level and the two come together to for the default score.

In the example Chappy gave, the result decided by the panel would most likely be locked at 8-7 to chappy. If the runners decide chappy gave 50% effort and Johnny gave 100%, the default score would change to 7-4 to Johnny.

As a side note, I would say that a definite score needs to be given and not 8-7 either way. It might be better if each match was broken down into the 3 game types. E.G. :
8us chappy 3-2 johnny
9us chappy 1-4 johnny
8uk chappy 4-1 johnny
score chappy 8-7 johnny

Yes, this is how i hopefully see it working

that way, the person who made 100% effort does not get penalised, but still gets a probable score that they would have achieved.

Finally

Just thought it would be nice for those who haven't seen/understood to have a bit of a visual on it.

As another side note, every default system is flawed because the unplayed game itself is a flaw. The best default system is the one that goes unused because all the games are played.

I said this on the previous page, we have chose to cater for defaults, so we have to accept that no system will ever be perfect.

Well I'm 100% behind you Chappy, unless Craig agrees - then I'm 100% against it!

Thanks Stu

nearly got a member from each team now, so will be able to announce them soon hopefully

I sincerley hope it's derik_dalton chosen from Uprising? You can't trust that erigert character!!