This is another option, but who would have the time to gather all the information from threads, monitor messages, would someone be willing to do this? Unbiased also?

It would have to be someone with no affiliation with clans, but then again, someone who knows how they run etc.

as a default member you make the time
you can be in a clan
why not ?
there should be a member from each clan
if they don't comment get rid

making time is whats its about, same as running the league
you become a committed member

ive done it for many seasons prior and enjoyed it
i even formulated a method for the default panel to follow

Its always going to be hard to award a correct default . What's needed in the first place is good cooperation between opposing captains.

No one wants to sacrifice points by making changes but sometimes there's no option. Its all to do with communication between captain and there players and captain and opposing captain. I know straight away as soon as a list comes out whether there will be a problem or not

It's all well and good judging defaults purely on effort but this completely skews the league table - And as I said before, rewards a team instead of compensating them.

Okay, let me provide some clarification on the Monkey Business defaults from the last set - And please try and look at the defaults from a neutral point of view.

From the info provided it's undisputed that Monkey Business made 100% effort to get their games played.

People are suggesting they should then get 10 - 15 points on the default. Fair enough, but...

Monkey Business only scored 20 points from the other 5 games in that match, scoring 1, 2, 4, 6 & 7. How could we justify awarding them more than 20 points from the 3 defaults?

That just wouldn't be fair on the other teams around them in the table because they would be attaining points that they (more than likely) wouldn't have got.

This season I've tried to change the defaults away from a system of judging on effort to a system of compensating teams based on their effort without affecting other teams too much.

The problem is inherent in any system with defaults. Like I said in my previous post, if anybody can come up with an appropriate system that negates the need for defaults then please suggest.

usually when you see me on a list, you start laughing

I personally think along with ALL LEAGUE RUNNERS that they should not be players but the panel be the MODS or non players (clan)

That way no biased opinions, Captains and Vices can continue their main duty to coordinate and steer their team to complete all matches with as many points as possible.

You say that derik but when Captains and Vices do try communicate you stick your olly-beak in when has nothing to do with you. If other people didn't interfere, a lot more would get done.

i agree and when i was on default panel thats how i looked at it maybe we should go back to old system with a member from each team and 4 ob reasons cant comment on own team default it not hard to set up a chat website for it default staff log in check evidence all make ur scores then use the average.

also with old system there use to be the odd bickering as u will always get but it allways made a more accurate league table cause in my eyes monkeys getting punished where if we had panel scores could of been more accrute

but steve

im sure i and destroyer would've scored more than 4

and it wouldn't be right for say uprising gaining 36 points in the same type of default

it should be the same

and not penalising the opposition is wrong to in the formula used

pirate_steve that default is fine, worked out and fair, under no circumstance should a max 15 points to available as that makes a mockery of actually trying not to suffer any default,

Maximum should be 10 points on offer split between the two teams involved. 10-0 for one side making all the effort, 5-5 for both, or dependant on what decisive info is submitted award either 8-2, 6-4, 4-6 or 2-8. Fair for ALL

But that is not rewarding a match a fair result, just because i make 100% effort to play dvz, would i win 10-0? no, never.

but with this system people will play for default to affect league where with old system no one knew what it would be as all threads are read and a decision is mad on what we see example if no subs no comunication and player been ofline for 14 days opp player been on every day and sent 5 messages why should they not get a 15-0 only fair

I'm sure what I said is true. Its very rare you see Faust, punky, turtle Sarah , wellie arguing day in day out about subs and defaults its because they run things right . They try to co operate where as you get plant pots that think there Alex fyrgeson and start messing with games and keeping inactive players in all to try and achieve a better position and some self gratification in doing so

you've contradicted yourself

we got 4 points
so your above calculation would've been fair but that's not what its is

4 points out of 15 were awarded
and acknowledged we did everything possible to play the games, evidence was produced and not denied

i don't care about the award of points my points are simple

2 similar defaults should be awarded the same points
not different

and to get 4 points out of 15 didn't penalise the opposition in any way

agreed
but i think a 10 award and 5 points deducted from the opposition
as there is no penalty to stop them doing so
again and again

yes that's a option as is the old system of more the 3 defaults in 2 consecutive fixture set you were warned that team could be removed

Right...

So awarding a team a team 45 points on defaults when they have only scored 20 points from the other 5 games would be fair and make for a more accurate league table?

so rewarding one team more than another on a similar default isnt either

Neither system works he deserves more than four but wouldn't have got fifteen. Got to say here though pirate tried to be fair but it hasn't really done monkeys much good

I say boot eagles. Get John to run tfs . Get Shadwell to run phoenix and defaults and arguing will cut by eighty percent over night

it would depend on evidence as i said if there a situation of no cumincation or subs and offline 14 days then how can u not award 15-0 but there does have to evidence that the otherteam have been asking for subs ect.

if there no eveidence then the panel would look at average scores of season and results and make decision on average they think like 9-6 or 8-7 ect