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14:37 Tue 25 Mar 14 (GMT) [Link]
Award the other team the deducted ones.
But deducting point does nothing to help the team who tried to get games played.
Award the other team the deducted ones.
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14:37 Tue 25 Mar 14 (GMT) [Link]
True, but as I have said, any system that incorporates defaults is flawed.
Okay, let's say your way. A team plays 7 matches and scores 0 points. The last match goes to default with the team currently losing 105 - 0.
They made 100% of the effort in that game. You are saying they get awarded 15 points - That is ludicrous. How is that fare on the other teams in the league or maintain the integrity of the table?
going no where at all
ive made my point its flawed
8 games unplayed zero
teams being rewarded more in a similar default is ludicrous
a team making all the acknowledged effort is laughed at
i will say no more
ive made my point its flawed
8 games unplayed zero
teams being rewarded more in a similar default is ludicrous
a team making all the acknowledged effort is laughed at
i will say no more
True, but as I have said, any system that incorporates defaults is flawed.
Okay, let's say your way. A team plays 7 matches and scores 0 points. The last match goes to default with the team currently losing 105 - 0.
They made 100% of the effort in that game. You are saying they get awarded 15 points - That is ludicrous. How is that fare on the other teams in the league or maintain the integrity of the table?
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14:38 Tue 25 Mar 14 (GMT) [Link]
Award the other team the deducted ones.
that makes no sense ash if you award 5 points say and deducting 5 points it just easy to do 10-0
But deducting point does nothing to help the team who tried to get games played.
Award the other team the deducted ones.
that makes no sense ash if you award 5 points say and deducting 5 points it just easy to do 10-0
14:40 Tue 25 Mar 14 (GMT) [Link]
4 points is pure wrong
and another team getting more
Edited at 14:13 Tue 25/03/14 (GMT)
and another team getting more
Edited at 14:13 Tue 25/03/14 (GMT)
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14:41 Tue 25 Mar 14 (GMT) [Link]
How about instead of keep arguing with pirate_steve, someone offers a viable solution to the problem?
Joe, although very funny, not a viable option
Joe, although very funny, not a viable option
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14:44 Tue 25 Mar 14 (GMT) [Link]
Award the other team the deducted ones.
that makes no sense ash if you award 5 points say and deducting 5 points it just easy to do 10-0
Oh yeah der Ash lol
Better solution any default gets 0 points for both teams, match/fixture incomplete, no completion bonus neither if there are/were any.
Job done.
But deducting point does nothing to help the team who tried to get games played.
Award the other team the deducted ones.
that makes no sense ash if you award 5 points say and deducting 5 points it just easy to do 10-0
Oh yeah der Ash lol
Better solution any default gets 0 points for both teams, match/fixture incomplete, no completion bonus neither if there are/were any.
Job done.
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14:45 Tue 25 Mar 14 (GMT) [Link]
Unfortunately kenny bro, awarding 5 to one team and deducting from from the offending team makes more sense than just awarding 10 to the 'victim' team. But then again, you'd need to take into context, the average scoring of the games already played.
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14:47 Tue 25 Mar 14 (GMT) [Link]
I also think Chris should run the league along with ab and jooodles 1 BIG league with every fixture set being a different format. (FCL, FBL, SL)
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14:50 Tue 25 Mar 14 (GMT) [Link]
Now we have more people here, what does everyone think to the suggestion i put on the last page.
A captain or VC from each clan, decides what they think the match would have been, minus the captain or vc from each team.
The league runners could choose the captain or vc from each clan that they see fit to make the choices.
This way, a fair result would be decided upon, each team has had a contribution to it, hopefully, most teams would be happy.
A captain or VC from each clan, decides what they think the match would have been, minus the captain or vc from each team.
The league runners could choose the captain or vc from each clan that they see fit to make the choices.
This way, a fair result would be decided upon, each team has had a contribution to it, hopefully, most teams would be happy.
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14:53 Tue 25 Mar 14 (GMT) [Link]
Only problem being with that chappy, is that not many captains certain other clan captains....so it could end up being a bit biased?
14:53 Tue 25 Mar 14 (GMT) [Link]
Uprising don't do defaults, so maybe you guys just need some training from faust and eri
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15:00 Tue 25 Mar 14 (GMT) [Link]
Not quite sure what you mean here, give us an example to better explain it
Now we have more people here, what does everyone think to the suggestion i put on the last page.
A captain or VC from each clan, decides what they think the match would have been, minus the captain or vc from each team.
The league runners could choose the captain or vc from each clan that they see fit to make the choices.
This way, a fair result would be decided upon, each team has had a contribution to it, hopefully, most teams would be happy.
A captain or VC from each clan, decides what they think the match would have been, minus the captain or vc from each team.
The league runners could choose the captain or vc from each clan that they see fit to make the choices.
This way, a fair result would be decided upon, each team has had a contribution to it, hopefully, most teams would be happy.
Not quite sure what you mean here, give us an example to better explain it
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15:07 Tue 25 Mar 14 (GMT) [Link]
From the clans i can think of off top of my head,
PS - me
uprising - steve
fe - pro frog
wolves - mav
underdogs - cke
tfs - jon
mb - sarah
bb - sniper
pros - matty
ps vs wolves,
me v mav
so ps and wolves captain/vc would not be involved in deciding the result as that would be unfair,
as long as both me and mav have made a fair attempt to play, then do the following:
so the other 7 clan captains or vc will all come up with they believe would be a fair result in that match,
uprising - 5-10
fe - 7-8
underdogs - 8-7
tfs - 7-8
mb - 6-9
bb - 8-7
pros - 8-7
so add up the scores for each 49-56
divide by 7, score works out as 7-8 to mav.
PS - me
uprising - steve
fe - pro frog
wolves - mav
underdogs - cke
tfs - jon
mb - sarah
bb - sniper
pros - matty
ps vs wolves,
me v mav
so ps and wolves captain/vc would not be involved in deciding the result as that would be unfair,
as long as both me and mav have made a fair attempt to play, then do the following:
so the other 7 clan captains or vc will all come up with they believe would be a fair result in that match,
uprising - 5-10
fe - 7-8
underdogs - 8-7
tfs - 7-8
mb - 6-9
bb - 8-7
pros - 8-7
so add up the scores for each 49-56
divide by 7, score works out as 7-8 to mav.
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15:09 Tue 25 Mar 14 (GMT) [Link]
Sorry for the horrendous punctuation and grammar, but i was rushing to type it all out,
anyways, any constructive criticism is more than welcome.
sorry, if forgot any clans etc.
anyways, any constructive criticism is more than welcome.
sorry, if forgot any clans etc.
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15:20 Tue 25 Mar 14 (GMT) [Link]
From PS it would probably be co-capt, i wouldn't even bother lol.
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15:21 Tue 25 Mar 14 (GMT) [Link]
this is just an example mate. we have enough to choose from, but it would probably be best if the league runners chose the person they thought most reliable from each clan.
From PS it would probably be co-capt, i wouldn't even bother lol.
this is just an example mate. we have enough to choose from, but it would probably be best if the league runners chose the person they thought most reliable from each clan.
15:24 Tue 25 Mar 14 (GMT) [Link]
I like it, and then alter it accordingly if one side was more to blame for it not getting played, by 1-4 frames maybe, depending how obvious it is that one player was more at fault than the other.
Another thought, when deciding who's fault it was for going to default, do you consider the players' default record?
For example, player A hadn't had a default in 2 seasons, and player B just had one last fixture, pretty strong evidence there who's fault it is.
Edited at 13:28 Tue 25/03/14 (GMT)
Another thought, when deciding who's fault it was for going to default, do you consider the players' default record?
For example, player A hadn't had a default in 2 seasons, and player B just had one last fixture, pretty strong evidence there who's fault it is.
Edited at 13:28 Tue 25/03/14 (GMT)
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15:27 Tue 25 Mar 14 (GMT) [Link]
Its not a good idea judging what a probable result could be is not the best in all fairness. There are a lot of underestimated players in teams, also if that's how a default would be decided then what's to stop teams subbing in their best player vs the oppositions inactive one, for default purposes.
Sorry not for me.
You cant judge a player by their record, people change, players improve on table or off it, times change, circumstances change, ie new job etc.
Sorry not for me.
You cant judge a player by their record, people change, players improve on table or off it, times change, circumstances change, ie new job etc.
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15:27 Tue 25 Mar 14 (GMT) [Link]
It is a decent idea yeah.
Although I'm not sure how you would judge results when different players have been in the fixture.
And nope, that isn't done. There's never been a record of how many defaults a player has had over here
Although I'm not sure how you would judge results when different players have been in the fixture.
And nope, that isn't done. There's never been a record of how many defaults a player has had over here
15:33 Tue 25 Mar 14 (GMT) [Link]
just saying the probable result is where you should start, then consider who's fault for default and alter the score accordingly.
I think defaults would have less impact on the league than they do now.
I think defaults would have less impact on the league than they do now.
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