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16:10 Tue 25 Mar 14 (GMT) [Link]
Still like chappy's idea of starting off with a probable result, and tweak it from there if any fault can be assigned.
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16:17 Tue 25 Mar 14 (GMT) [Link]
I think my idea could be used on the default, in practice, if it is a success, great. if not, we shall find another way.
I don't think it would cause any harm to trial it?
This is the way I see it working, when there is a default, the league runners contact the people who have been chosen from each clan, (trustworthy etc), then asks them to go and produce a result that they see would fit that game. With 7 teams (i think) deciding a fair result, i dont think that it would be far from the result, that if the game had been played.
and we reply to league runner, with the result, not telling anyone else about it.
If there is anything anyone can see that i missed, please feel free to help, or add ideas.
Just like been did
I don't think it would cause any harm to trial it?
This is the way I see it working, when there is a default, the league runners contact the people who have been chosen from each clan, (trustworthy etc), then asks them to go and produce a result that they see would fit that game. With 7 teams (i think) deciding a fair result, i dont think that it would be far from the result, that if the game had been played.
and we reply to league runner, with the result, not telling anyone else about it.
If there is anything anyone can see that i missed, please feel free to help, or add ideas.
Just like been did
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16:20 Tue 25 Mar 14 (GMT) [Link]
limit amount of teams then guaranteed more reliability.
but i do like chappy idea.
but i do like chappy idea.
16:33 Tue 25 Mar 14 (GMT) [Link]
Try anything IMO
However the system used now is unjust
We say it dosnt reflect on the league table of course it does
If a lower team gets a lower score because that's the way it is
Is wrong
A default is a default the reasons for a game going that way is what should be judged
And points awarded accordingly
Because your at the top or the bottom dosnt matter
My average score upto this game was 8 my overall is 9,2
So how 4 is reflective is beyond me
I'm being penalised because some one didn't want to play a game and proven
Edited at 14:40 Tue 25/03/14 (GMT)
However the system used now is unjust
We say it dosnt reflect on the league table of course it does
If a lower team gets a lower score because that's the way it is
Is wrong
A default is a default the reasons for a game going that way is what should be judged
And points awarded accordingly
Because your at the top or the bottom dosnt matter
My average score upto this game was 8 my overall is 9,2
So how 4 is reflective is beyond me
I'm being penalised because some one didn't want to play a game and proven
Edited at 14:40 Tue 25/03/14 (GMT)
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16:42 Tue 25 Mar 14 (GMT) [Link]
I think its unfair to predict a possible outcome, it completely writes off a lesser player who for no fault of their own will end end being judged to lose.
For example: Joe bloggs vs levi strauss (on stats and paper levis the better player)
Judge A - 3-12
Judge B - 1-14
Judge C - 4-11
Judge D - 5-10
Total 13-47/4 equals 3.1 - 11.4
Joe could score 6 or even 7 plus on a good day, it's like judging a book by its cover.
For example: Joe bloggs vs levi strauss (on stats and paper levis the better player)
Judge A - 3-12
Judge B - 1-14
Judge C - 4-11
Judge D - 5-10
Total 13-47/4 equals 3.1 - 11.4
Joe could score 6 or even 7 plus on a good day, it's like judging a book by its cover.
16:44 Tue 25 Mar 14 (GMT) [Link]
Take the players average
award that plus a couple of default points
That's got to be fair
Maybe have a criteria
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award that plus a couple of default points
That's got to be fair
Maybe have a criteria
Messages
Subs
Swaps
Threads
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16:47 Tue 25 Mar 14 (GMT) [Link]
But as i said, this is the last resort, subs, swaps etc should all be done first.
i am not saying that it is perfect this, but it at least gives a representation that would be the 'most' likely outcome
I think its unfair to predict a possible outcome, it completely writes off a lesser player who for no fault of their own will end end being judged to lose.
For example: Joe bloggs vs levi strauss (on stats and paper levis the better player)
Judge A - 3-12
Judge B - 1-14
Judge C - 4-11
Judge D - 5-10
Total 13-47/4 equals 3.1 - 11.4
Joe could score 6 or even 7 plus on a good day, it's like judging a book by its cover.
For example: Joe bloggs vs levi strauss (on stats and paper levis the better player)
Judge A - 3-12
Judge B - 1-14
Judge C - 4-11
Judge D - 5-10
Total 13-47/4 equals 3.1 - 11.4
Joe could score 6 or even 7 plus on a good day, it's like judging a book by its cover.
But as i said, this is the last resort, subs, swaps etc should all be done first.
i am not saying that it is perfect this, but it at least gives a representation that would be the 'most' likely outcome
16:58 Tue 25 Mar 14 (GMT) [Link]
you cant take averages craig, i never played against dogs,vipers or other 2 teams at bottom last season, yet i played all top teams
Take the players average
award that plus a couple of default points
That's got to be fair
Maybe have a criteria
Messages
Subs
Swaps
Threads
award that plus a couple of default points
That's got to be fair
Maybe have a criteria
Messages
Subs
Swaps
Threads
you cant take averages craig, i never played against dogs,vipers or other 2 teams at bottom last season, yet i played all top teams
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17:07 Tue 25 Mar 14 (GMT) [Link]
you cant take averages craig, i never played against dogs,vipers or other 2 teams at bottom last season, yet i played all top teams
good point here, that is why i think my idea will be better, a lot of captains, vc's know how their opponents are playing etc, so would be able to give their idea of what the score would have been...
Take the players average
award that plus a couple of default points
That's got to be fair
Maybe have a criteria
Messages
Subs
Swaps
Threads
award that plus a couple of default points
That's got to be fair
Maybe have a criteria
Messages
Subs
Swaps
Threads
you cant take averages craig, i never played against dogs,vipers or other 2 teams at bottom last season, yet i played all top teams
good point here, that is why i think my idea will be better, a lot of captains, vc's know how their opponents are playing etc, so would be able to give their idea of what the score would have been...
17:16 Tue 25 Mar 14 (GMT) [Link]
I think chapys idea could work with a bit of tweaking, steve and co have took on awful lot of work alrerady running leauge, and then they have defaults to deal with due to eagles and cptains fooling about. e
Why not take chapys idea and introduce a default panel to determine results as a very last resort i wouldnt have all teams have a rep though id just select a certain few with common sense.
If anyone one of the said default comitee are online they can deal with problems as they happen hence limiting defaults.
Here is who i woukld propose and im sure you would agree there all fair enough people with common sense and have the ability to deal with a problem without escalating it.
Anglel pd s
sarah monkeys
eri ups
chappy ps
beenjammin pros
Why not take chapys idea and introduce a default panel to determine results as a very last resort i wouldnt have all teams have a rep though id just select a certain few with common sense.
If anyone one of the said default comitee are online they can deal with problems as they happen hence limiting defaults.
Here is who i woukld propose and im sure you would agree there all fair enough people with common sense and have the ability to deal with a problem without escalating it.
Anglel pd s
sarah monkeys
eri ups
chappy ps
beenjammin pros
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17:36 Tue 25 Mar 14 (GMT) [Link]
If people don't have anything constructive to suggest then don't bother posting here! Reiterating points doesn't get us anywhere. We're actually getting somewhere for the first time in ages, let's keep it that way!
Without meaning to sound forward - Would you be willing to run the trial chapster? No problemo if not.
Could this be a good time to bring forward my idea of having a representative from each clan present on a league board too vote on league decisions (i.e., decisions such as "should bonuses be scrapped in the FCL", "should the SL be dropped" etc) - They could double up as the default panel.
Without meaning to sound forward - Would you be willing to run the trial chapster? No problemo if not.
Could this be a good time to bring forward my idea of having a representative from each clan present on a league board too vote on league decisions (i.e., decisions such as "should bonuses be scrapped in the FCL", "should the SL be dropped" etc) - They could double up as the default panel.
17:36 Tue 25 Mar 14 (GMT) [Link]
I agree it's all abit hippity hawww hoooplaaaa
17:38 Tue 25 Mar 14 (GMT) [Link]
On topic..
chapster_7
If people don't have anything constructive to suggest then don't bother posting here! Reiterating points doesn't get us anywhere. We're actually getting somewhere for the first time in ages, let's keep it that way!
Without meaning to sound forward - Would you be willing to run the trial chapster? No problemo if not.
Could this be a good time to bring forward my idea of having a representative from each clan present on a league board too vote on league decisions (i.e., decisions such as "should bonuses be scrapped in the FCL", "should the SL be dropped" etc) - They could double up as the default panel.
Without meaning to sound forward - Would you be willing to run the trial chapster? No problemo if not.
Could this be a good time to bring forward my idea of having a representative from each clan present on a league board too vote on league decisions (i.e., decisions such as "should bonuses be scrapped in the FCL", "should the SL be dropped" etc) - They could double up as the default panel.
On topic..
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17:41 Tue 25 Mar 14 (GMT) [Link]
On topic..
chapster_7
on it mate, i am currently asking a few people to help me the trial
If people don't have anything constructive to suggest then don't bother posting here! Reiterating points doesn't get us anywhere. We're actually getting somewhere for the first time in ages, let's keep it that way!
Without meaning to sound forward - Would you be willing to run the trial chapster? No problemo if not.
Could this be a good time to bring forward my idea of having a representative from each clan present on a league board too vote on league decisions (i.e., decisions such as "should bonuses be scrapped in the FCL", "should the SL be dropped" etc) - They could double up as the default panel.
Without meaning to sound forward - Would you be willing to run the trial chapster? No problemo if not.
Could this be a good time to bring forward my idea of having a representative from each clan present on a league board too vote on league decisions (i.e., decisions such as "should bonuses be scrapped in the FCL", "should the SL be dropped" etc) - They could double up as the default panel.
On topic..
chapster_7
on it mate, i am currently asking a few people to help me the trial
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17:49 Tue 25 Mar 14 (GMT) [Link]
Me & Chappy are discussing this now.
We'll post up here when things have been sorted
We'll post up here when things have been sorted
17:52 Tue 25 Mar 14 (GMT) [Link]
Tbh reading through and I havent got a clue whats going on, I generally don't read this anymore as it seems it depends on who posts an idea more than the actual idea...
(to the point i have asked people to post my ideas as people shot down mine without reading)
But if what im going to say has been said im sorry, BUT
I think there should be a default limit... if your team gets so many defaults then they shouldn't be allowed in the league.
Also am aware that people are debating about setting up a panel (good idea) though the saame people will be asked.
For example I have offered to help run the league 3 times yet people with not much experience have been given the nod over me.
I personally would like to be on a panel if one was made up but am aware I won't be asked.
Do feel 3 leagues are over kill.
and i think my stance on tactical subs are known ( though there needs to be a ruling are they okay or not)
Anyways think clans are generally getting stale. I don't have any ideas to re-energize them.
Maybe smaller clans?
anyways gl to whoever ends up taking charge :)
OOOH can you post on threds team lists ect?
you have 6 league runners now... usnure who is one anymore haha. So one can do it surly.
(to the point i have asked people to post my ideas as people shot down mine without reading)
But if what im going to say has been said im sorry, BUT
I think there should be a default limit... if your team gets so many defaults then they shouldn't be allowed in the league.
Also am aware that people are debating about setting up a panel (good idea) though the saame people will be asked.
For example I have offered to help run the league 3 times yet people with not much experience have been given the nod over me.
I personally would like to be on a panel if one was made up but am aware I won't be asked.
Do feel 3 leagues are over kill.
and i think my stance on tactical subs are known ( though there needs to be a ruling are they okay or not)
Anyways think clans are generally getting stale. I don't have any ideas to re-energize them.
Maybe smaller clans?
anyways gl to whoever ends up taking charge :)
OOOH can you post on threds team lists ect?
you have 6 league runners now... usnure who is one anymore haha. So one can do it surly.
17:56 Tue 25 Mar 14 (GMT) [Link]
its cos ur too argumentative
Tbh reading through and I havent got a clue whats going on, I generally don't read this anymore as it seems it depends on who posts an idea more than the actual idea...
(to the point i have asked people to post my ideas as people shot down mine without reading)
But if what im going to say has been said im sorry, BUT
I think there should be a default limit... if your team gets so many defaults then they shouldn't be allowed in the league.
Also am aware that people are debating about setting up a panel (good idea) though the saame people will be asked.
For example I have offered to help run the league 3 times yet people with not much experience have been given the nod over me.
I personally would like to be on a panel if one was made up but am aware I won't be asked.
Do feel 3 leagues are over kill.
and i think my stance on tactical subs are known ( though there needs to be a ruling are they okay or not)
Anyways think clans are generally getting stale. I don't have any ideas to re-energize them.
Maybe smaller clans?
anyways gl to whoever ends up taking charge :)
OOOH can you post on threds team lists ect?
you have 6 league runners now... usnure who is one anymore haha. So one can do it surly.
(to the point i have asked people to post my ideas as people shot down mine without reading)
But if what im going to say has been said im sorry, BUT
I think there should be a default limit... if your team gets so many defaults then they shouldn't be allowed in the league.
Also am aware that people are debating about setting up a panel (good idea) though the saame people will be asked.
For example I have offered to help run the league 3 times yet people with not much experience have been given the nod over me.
I personally would like to be on a panel if one was made up but am aware I won't be asked.
Do feel 3 leagues are over kill.
and i think my stance on tactical subs are known ( though there needs to be a ruling are they okay or not)
Anyways think clans are generally getting stale. I don't have any ideas to re-energize them.
Maybe smaller clans?
anyways gl to whoever ends up taking charge :)
OOOH can you post on threds team lists ect?
you have 6 league runners now... usnure who is one anymore haha. So one can do it surly.
its cos ur too argumentative
18:01 Tue 25 Mar 14 (GMT) [Link]
its cos ur too argumentative
Says you.
Tbh you troll half the people on here lol.
Also you have made my point about people not even bothering to read what certain people say.
Tbh reading through and I havent got a clue whats going on, I generally don't read this anymore as it seems it depends on who posts an idea more than the actual idea...
(to the point i have asked people to post my ideas as people shot down mine without reading)
But if what im going to say has been said im sorry, BUT
I think there should be a default limit... if your team gets so many defaults then they shouldn't be allowed in the league.
Also am aware that people are debating about setting up a panel (good idea) though the saame people will be asked.
For example I have offered to help run the league 3 times yet people with not much experience have been given the nod over me.
I personally would like to be on a panel if one was made up but am aware I won't be asked.
Do feel 3 leagues are over kill.
and i think my stance on tactical subs are known ( though there needs to be a ruling are they okay or not)
Anyways think clans are generally getting stale. I don't have any ideas to re-energize them.
Maybe smaller clans?
anyways gl to whoever ends up taking charge :)
OOOH can you post on threds team lists ect?
you have 6 league runners now... usnure who is one anymore haha. So one can do it surly.
(to the point i have asked people to post my ideas as people shot down mine without reading)
But if what im going to say has been said im sorry, BUT
I think there should be a default limit... if your team gets so many defaults then they shouldn't be allowed in the league.
Also am aware that people are debating about setting up a panel (good idea) though the saame people will be asked.
For example I have offered to help run the league 3 times yet people with not much experience have been given the nod over me.
I personally would like to be on a panel if one was made up but am aware I won't be asked.
Do feel 3 leagues are over kill.
and i think my stance on tactical subs are known ( though there needs to be a ruling are they okay or not)
Anyways think clans are generally getting stale. I don't have any ideas to re-energize them.
Maybe smaller clans?
anyways gl to whoever ends up taking charge :)
OOOH can you post on threds team lists ect?
you have 6 league runners now... usnure who is one anymore haha. So one can do it surly.
its cos ur too argumentative
Says you.
Tbh you troll half the people on here lol.
Also you have made my point about people not even bothering to read what certain people say.
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