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cke1982
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14:18 Sun 9 Mar 14 (GMT)  [Link]  
I think 2 Leagues too: FCSL & FBL (not 2 Divisions)

Merge the FCL with SL (the events should be rewarded included 7 ball), keep the FBL but increase the frame amounts, 6 is nothing. Almost a waste of time. Takes longer to arrange than to actually play lol.


no one wants more frames in fbl or itd be same as fcl
cke1982
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14:21 Sun 9 Mar 14 (GMT)  [Link]  
With so many clan games going on players don't have much time to do anything else on this site, theres far to much pressure on players to get clan fixtures played, lets be honest, players can have up to 6 or 7 fixtures in a fortnight, they login here and its constant chasing or being chased to play clan games, if they aint in the mood to play clan games they just browse to avoid any hassle because if they login to the game window and say "I aint in the mood" it gets posted all over the forums by players trying to gain the advantage for defaults, some clan players sometimes don't even know who they are meant to be playing or what format because theres so much going on, I've seen players posting asking captains to remind them, also with 3 leagues I'm seeing clans pushing more for subs because they are desperate to complete the games, the pressure on captains is crazy, tell me clans are great fun and a good laugh at the moment, I might not believe you but I'll shut up lol.


well im one of Uprising captains and let me say that clans are the only thing which makes me log in everyday in this site. if it wasnt, than i wouldnt bother stress myself over an online game

i agree pointless playing ranked games cause u beat a newbie and lose more than u win and gain 0.8 if ur lucky wiat around for 2 hrs for a tourney some times as no micros what else is there to do
faust
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14:42 Sun 9 Mar 14 (GMT)  [Link]  
With so many clan games going on players don't have much time to do anything else on this site, theres far to much pressure on players to get clan fixtures played, lets be honest, players can have up to 6 or 7 fixtures in a fortnight, they login here and its constant chasing or being chased to play clan games, if they aint in the mood to play clan games they just browse to avoid any hassle because if they login to the game window and say "I aint in the mood" it gets posted all over the forums by players trying to gain the advantage for defaults, some clan players sometimes don't even know who they are meant to be playing or what format because theres so much going on, I've seen players posting asking captains to remind them, also with 3 leagues I'm seeing clans pushing more for subs because they are desperate to complete the games, the pressure on captains is crazy, tell me clans are great fun and a good laugh at the moment, I might not believe you but I'll shut up lol.


Don't enter all three leagues then. Simple! You're complaining about too many games for your players, and yet you entered two teams into the Super League!!!!
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14:55 Sun 9 Mar 14 (GMT)  [Link]  
Totally agree, don't bite off more than you can chew. If you don't have adequate resources then keep to a minimum for comfort, peace of mind (not hassled), still representing in some competition and last but not least this word FUN. A hobbie or pastime is something you enjoy doing in order to pass your time, you don't need to have FUN doing it just a little enjoyment and a break from normality. So sick of hearing the word FUN.

Sorry for being Pool Scrooge.
cke1982
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14:59 Sun 9 Mar 14 (GMT)  [Link]  
With so many clan games going on players don't have much time to do anything else on this site, theres far to much pressure on players to get clan fixtures played, lets be honest, players can have up to 6 or 7 fixtures in a fortnight, they login here and its constant chasing or being chased to play clan games, if they aint in the mood to play clan games they just browse to avoid any hassle because if they login to the game window and say "I aint in the mood" it gets posted all over the forums by players trying to gain the advantage for defaults, some clan players sometimes don't even know who they are meant to be playing or what format because theres so much going on, I've seen players posting asking captains to remind them, also with 3 leagues I'm seeing clans pushing more for subs because they are desperate to complete the games, the pressure on captains is crazy, tell me clans are great fun and a good laugh at the moment, I might not believe you but I'll shut up lol.


ab_rfc posted that not me

erigert posted well im one of Uprising captains and let me say that clans are the only thing which makes me log in everyday in this site. if it wasnt, than i wouldnt bother stress myself over an online game


i posted i agree pointless playing ranked games cause u beat a newbie and lose more than u win and gain 0.8 if ur lucky wait around for 2 hrs for a tourney some times as no micros what else is there to do
ab_rfc
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21:15 Sun 9 Mar 14 (GMT)  [Link]  
I can only speak from the perspective of my own clan, but Uprising aren't in favour of less leagues, unless there is a way to do it and still have as many games. It's a struggle giving all our players enough games, but we can just about manage it with three leagues. We don't have any players that feel they have too many fixtures, and pretty much everyone would be happy to play more games.

All three leagues was contested right until the end last season, and I thought it was the best season in years because of this. I fail to see the benefits of sacking off 2 successful formats. I also think that cutting down would punish us for putting an active team together that wants to play matches. If 3 is too many leagues for your clan, only enter 1 or 2. If you're a clan player and you feel under pressure to play games, don't join a clan!

Maybe clan size needs reduced ?
faust
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21:17 Sun 9 Mar 14 (GMT)  [Link]  
I can only speak from the perspective of my own clan, but Uprising aren't in favour of less leagues, unless there is a way to do it and still have as many games. It's a struggle giving all our players enough games, but we can just about manage it with three leagues. We don't have any players that feel they have too many fixtures, and pretty much everyone would be happy to play more games.

All three leagues was contested right until the end last season, and I thought it was the best season in years because of this. I fail to see the benefits of sacking off 2 successful formats. I also think that cutting down would punish us for putting an active team together that wants to play matches. If 3 is too many leagues for your clan, only enter 1 or 2. If you're a clan player and you feel under pressure to play games, don't join a clan!

Maybe clan size needs reduced ?


I've not spent all this time finding a top set of lads that get on and always play their games, just to sack some of them off now!
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21:36 Sun 9 Mar 14 (GMT)  [Link]  
I can only speak from the perspective of my own clan, but Uprising aren't in favour of less leagues, unless there is a way to do it and still have as many games. It's a struggle giving all our players enough games, but we can just about manage it with three leagues. We don't have any players that feel they have too many fixtures, and pretty much everyone would be happy to play more games.

All three leagues was contested right until the end last season, and I thought it was the best season in years because of this. I fail to see the benefits of sacking off 2 successful formats. I also think that cutting down would punish us for putting an active team together that wants to play matches. If 3 is too many leagues for your clan, only enter 1 or 2. If you're a clan player and you feel under pressure to play games, don't join a clan!

Maybe clan size needs reduced ?


This isn't a bad idea, cut it down to 10 a side = more clans and maybe an even more competitive league
ab_rfc
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21:38 Sun 9 Mar 14 (GMT)  [Link]  
Its a very good idea, 12 sounds better tho

Less leagues, reduced clan size, more clans and there would still be plenty games for everyone.


Edited at 19:42 Sun 09/03/14 (GMT)
erigert
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21:41 Sun 9 Mar 14 (GMT)  [Link]  
I can only speak from the perspective of my own clan, but Uprising aren't in favour of less leagues, unless there is a way to do it and still have as many games. It's a struggle giving all our players enough games, but we can just about manage it with three leagues. We don't have any players that feel they have too many fixtures, and pretty much everyone would be happy to play more games.

All three leagues was contested right until the end last season, and I thought it was the best season in years because of this. I fail to see the benefits of sacking off 2 successful formats. I also think that cutting down would punish us for putting an active team together that wants to play matches. If 3 is too many leagues for your clan, only enter 1 or 2. If you're a clan player and you feel under pressure to play games, don't join a clan!

Maybe clan size needs reduced ?


This isn't a bad idea, cut it down to 10 a side = more clans and maybe an even more competitive league


everyone says that, but i think the real reason why we dont have more clans its that not a lot of people want to captain a clan. and without a captain a clan cant be created i think
faust
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21:45 Sun 9 Mar 14 (GMT)  [Link]  
Cutting squad sizes punishes every competent captain in the league. Me and Eri have put in time and effort to recruit, develop relationships and a working team of 16. Why should we have to boot a player that we don't want to lose, who also doesn't want to leave?
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21:48 Sun 9 Mar 14 (GMT)  [Link]  
Underdogs could do with a few players I'm sure they could benefit from some of your calibre players
turtle1560
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21:51 Sun 9 Mar 14 (GMT)  [Link]  
Cutting squad sizes punishes every competent captain in the league. Me and Eri have put in time and effort to recruit, develop relationships and a working team of 16. Why should we have to boot a player that we don't want to lose, who also doesn't want to leave?


:O

Clearly i'm not a competent captain then

cutting the clan size to 12 would have absolutely no effect on us, shamefully enough
ab_rfc
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22:02 Sun 9 Mar 14 (GMT)  [Link]  
People don't want to create new clans because its difficult to find 16 players which is needed with all these leagues, if there was less leagues clans wouldn't need 16 so could be reduced and we might see more clans created, and I did say might.
Surely it would be better having one league and have one champion clan that could call themselves the best, at the moment no clan can say they are the best because theres the potential to have 3 different league champions, yeh its all very nice winning a league but means nothing if you can't call yourself the best.
faust
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22:24 Sun 9 Mar 14 (GMT)  [Link]  
People don't want to create new clans because its difficult to find 16 players which is needed with all these leagues, if there was less leagues clans wouldn't need 16 so could be reduced and we might see more clans created, and I did say might.
Surely it would be better having one league and have one champion clan that could call themselves the best, at the moment no clan can say they are the best because theres the potential to have 3 different league champions, yeh its all very nice winning a league but means nothing if you can't call yourself the best.


I could create a new clan of 16 players in a week. The issue isn't that the players aren't there, they definitely are if you put the effort into recruiting them.

One overall winner is great, but you can't compare winning one format with winning another. That's why Pro's and SS always won differing formats.
faust
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22:25 Sun 9 Mar 14 (GMT)  [Link]  
Cutting squad sizes punishes every competent captain in the league. Me and Eri have put in time and effort to recruit, develop relationships and a working team of 16. Why should we have to boot a player that we don't want to lose, who also doesn't want to leave?


:O

Clearly i'm not a competent captain then

cutting the clan size to 12 would have absolutely no effect on us, shamefully enough


Haha, you're only the captain due to circumstance! :P

Get recruiting!!! lol
ab_rfc
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22:29 Sun 9 Mar 14 (GMT)  [Link]  
Hey if clans are happy just to be the best at a certain format fine, unless a clan wins all 3 leagues thats all they can be, I just thought captains would want more than that, I'm obviously wrong.
faust
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22:36 Sun 9 Mar 14 (GMT)  [Link]  
Hey if clans are happy just to be the best at a certain format fine, unless a clan wins all 3 leagues thats all they can be, I just thought captains would want more than that, I'm obviously wrong.


In our case you are. I can't speak for everyone else. I'd fast lose interest if there was hardly any fixtures to play.
horse10000
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22:41 Sun 9 Mar 14 (GMT)  [Link]  
In theory if you halved the amount of players in a clan and halved the amount of games per fixture you would double the number of teams and maintain the same number of fixtures.

Might be a bit extreme but it would certainly shake things up, just not sure if their would be enough reliable captains for it
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04:27 Mon 10 Mar 14 (GMT)  [Link]  
14 Players would be better than 12 IMO, 12 is way too short, 8 individual matches per FCL, leaving 4 subs. What if some go away on holiday or aren't available. Having 6 potential subs is much better and sensible than having 4.

My only problem with reducing clan sizes if the amount of matches a player will play. IF restrained to using less players then the leagues will eventually just the the same players playing each other, ie their better ones all the time.

I don't think there is any problems with the way things are and all Captains and their Vices need to do is apply common sense when making a sub, communicate with their own players and opponents Captains and be as transparent as possible

With all that sorted, then no need to reduce team sizes. As for it creating more teams, yeah it probably will but with probably confuse more things then it does today. Players get to experience to be more part of a team with a higher quantity of team mates too.



Edited at 03:04 Mon 10/03/14 (GMT)
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