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02:29 Thu 16 May 13 (BST)  [Link]  
Let us all agree to disagree because I ain't being convinced otherwise
dgeneratio
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02:30 Thu 16 May 13 (BST)  [Link]  
frames is also a team event as you and your team are aiming to win as many frames as possible. You cannot win a league playing by yourself in either scenario.

It would be same as it is now, Strongest Players for Pros, SS etc but not so confident vs Underdogs etc so doesn't really matter.
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02:57 Thu 16 May 13 (BST)  [Link]  
If you changed to 10 points for a win and 5 for a draw. (Examples)

With current format of 8 games x 6 frames, 25 is the magic number to win a fixture.

I would think that in the majority of games this is reached before game 7 or 8 starts. If you had a winner in 6 or 7 fixtures of a set, the 8 th game becomes pointless as the points are in the bag.

It is usually the last one or two games that go to default in any fixture set anyway, so by changing to points for a fixture win you would probably do away with the need for defaults in the majority of cases and would stop a lot of arguments regarding how defaults are awarded.

Also means any unbeaten team would win the league. If there was a draw between the 2 top teams and they won all other games so ended up tied you could have a fixture play off to decide the winner.
dgeneratio
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03:11 Thu 16 May 13 (BST)  [Link]  
If you changed to 10 points for a win and 5 for a draw. (Examples)

With current format of 8 games x 6 frames, 25 is the magic number to win a fixture.

I would think that in the majority of games this is reached before game 7 or 8 starts. If you had a winner in 6 or 7 fixtures of a set, the 8 th game becomes pointless as the points are in the bag.

It is usually the last one or two games that go to default in any fixture set anyway, so by changing to points for a fixture win you would probably do away with the need for defaults in the majority of cases and would stop a lot of arguments regarding how defaults are awarded.

Also means any unbeaten team would win the league. If there was a draw between the 2 top teams and they won all other games so ended up tied you could have a fixture play off to decide the winner.

their lies the problem for me, their is no completion incentive anymore, you could play for defaults doing it this way
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03:13 Thu 16 May 13 (BST)  [Link]  
Everyone has different opinions, some think others talk a load of mince lol, so I say let the league runners do things their way, then you are all free to post your opinions at the end of the season on how it works out, will either be well done, good job or I told you so.
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03:26 Thu 16 May 13 (BST)  [Link]  
If you changed to 10 points for a win and 5 for a draw. (Examples)

With current format of 8 games x 6 frames, 25 is the magic number to win a fixture.

I would think that in the majority of games this is reached before game 7 or 8 starts. If you had a winner in 6 or 7 fixtures of a set, the 8 th game becomes pointless as the points are in the bag.



It is usually the last one or two games that go to default in any fixture set anyway, so by changing to points for a fixture win you would probably do away with the need for defaults in the majority of cases and would stop a lot of arguments regarding how defaults are awarded.

Also means any unbeaten team would win the league. If there was a draw between the 2 top teams and they won all other games so ended up tied you could have a fixture play off to decide the winner.

their lies the problem for me, their is no completion incentive anymore, you could play for defaults doing it this way


There would be no defaults as fixture would be won and completion doesn't work anyway or we wouldn't have defaults in the first place.
dgeneratio
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03:30 Thu 16 May 13 (BST)  [Link]  
you would have to do defaults due to frame difference if scores are level, with frames their is more incentive to complete since each frame is important. Doing it your way you could stop playing when you have won which isn't in the spirit of things.
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03:33 Thu 16 May 13 (BST)  [Link]  
you would have to do defaults due to frame difference if scores are level, with frames their is more incentive to complete since each frame is important. Doing it your way you could stop playing when you have won which isn't in the spirit of things.


In the spirit of what, you have won the frames to win the fixture you get so many points for the win and you move on.

Means a team that wins all their games wins the league and frames decide each individual game between clans, you then get points for the win which total for the league.

Cuts down on defaults and could even do away with them if you are lucky.
dgeneratio
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03:35 Thu 16 May 13 (BST)  [Link]  
Everyone has different opinions, some think others talk a load of mince lol, so I say let the league runners do things their way, then you are all free to post your opinions at the end of the season on how it works out, will either be well done, good job or I told you so.

true, both ways have valid points as Seb has said and both has counter debates. I don't mind which way is chosen as i would play regardless
dgeneratio
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03:38 Thu 16 May 13 (BST)  [Link]  
you would have to do defaults due to frame difference if scores are level, with frames their is more incentive to complete since each frame is important. Doing it your way you could stop playing when you have won which isn't in the spirit of things.


In the spirit of what, you have won the frames to win the fixture you get so many points for the win and you move on.

Means a team that wins all their games wins the league and frames decide each individual game between clans, you then get points for the win which total for the league.

Cuts down on defaults and could even do away with them if you are lucky.

Its disrespectful to your opponent if your in a clan match and you say "Oh we have won, so i don't have to play you, see ya!", i wouldn't be happy as i would want to complete the match. Im not that type of person who stops when they have won, i try for every frame regardless.

Defaults can be cut down but if their is a tie, frame difference comes into play so in those circumstances defaulted games may matter.
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03:50 Thu 16 May 13 (BST)  [Link]  
you would have to do defaults due to frame difference if scores are level, with frames their is more incentive to complete since each frame is important. Doing it your way you could stop playing when you have won which isn't in the spirit of things.


In the spirit of what, you have won the frames to win the fixture you get so many points for the win and you move on.

Means a team that wins all their games wins the league and frames decide each individual game between clans, you then get points for the win which total for the league.

Cuts down on defaults and could even do away with them if you are lucky.

Its disrespectful to your opponent if your in a clan match and you say "Oh we have won, so i don't have to play you, see ya!", i wouldn't be happy as i would want to complete the match. Im not that type of person who stops when they have won, i try for every frame regardless.

Defaults can be cut down but if their is a tie, frame difference comes into play so in those circumstances defaulted games may matter.


No they wouldnt as a tie would be a draw so 5 points each and if teams end up level at end of season you would have a play off.
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13:23 Sat 18 May 13 (BST)  [Link]  
KILLER

Been speaking with a potential league runner about killer, it will be reintroduced as 2 games worth 6 points a piece as before. Every clan needs to nominate an official KILLER organiser who will sort the games.

KILLER defaults are a toughy so opinions are welcomed...

I shan't implement the snooker system as I don't believe at looking at 1 point in time but something similar could be put into effect.
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13:28 Sat 18 May 13 (BST)  [Link]  
KILLER

Been speaking with a potential league runner about killer, it will be reintroduced as 2 games worth 6 points a piece as before. Every clan needs to nominate an official KILLER organiser who will sort the games.

KILLER defaults are a toughy so opinions are welcomed...

I shan't implement the snooker system as I don't believe at looking at 1 point in time but something similar could be put into effect.


With the snooker one though there are hardly any defaults now, teams are given 2 weeks to arrange a game and if it's not arranged they have a set time to play. whoever is on at that time can play it. Seems pretty fair to me.

I understand your reasons as I had the same ideas at first but it seemed to work a treat.
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13:35 Sat 18 May 13 (BST)  [Link]  
The issue I have is like the example I gave before...

What if UT had players on everyday of the fixture and their opponents don't, then on deadline day only 2 UT players made it on the their opponents had 3 on for the first time. I would have to award in favour of the opposing clan due to this fixed 1 moment I have to look at. If this happened I know for a fact mich, you would be unhappy with this decision.

What I was suggesting to someone else was to implement a set time for each night and open a killer thread. Clans should post a short update at 9PM each night and this means I can collect information over the course of a fixture in the event of a default as well as check it on that night. I know this involves a little extra work for clans but I think this is the fairest way to assess defaults over the course of the fixture.

If a clan fails to post, it will be noted as "no information submitted"
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13:43 Sat 18 May 13 (BST)  [Link]  
The issue I have is like the example I gave before...

What if UT had players on everyday of the fixture and their opponents don't, then on deadline day only 2 UT players made it on the their opponents had 3 on for the first time. I would have to award in favour of the opposing clan due to this fixed 1 moment I have to look at. If this happened I know for a fact mich, you would be unhappy with this decision.

What I was suggesting to someone else was to implement a set time for each night and open a killer thread. Clans should post a short update at 9PM each night and this means I can collect information over the course of a fixture in the event of a default as well as check it on that night. I know this involves a little extra work for clans but I think this is the fairest way to assess defaults over the course of the fixture.

If a clan fails to post, it will be noted as "no information submitted"


Well in the example you gave we would play 2 on 3... As I said before I understand your objections, but having seen it work it works quite well.

I will do whatever I am told to do, as you are female and females are not worth arguing with.
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13:44 Sat 18 May 13 (BST)  [Link]  
What if UT had players on everyday of the fixture and their opponents don't, then on deadline day only 2 UT players made it on the their opponents had 3 on for the first time. I would have to award in favour of the opposing clan due to this fixed 1 moment I have to look at. If this happened I know for a fact mich, you would be unhappy with this decision


The 2 would play the 3 wouldn't they? instead of a default
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13:50 Sat 18 May 13 (BST)  [Link]  
Needs to be 3 v 3
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14:04 Sat 18 May 13 (BST)  [Link]  
http://funkypoolbilliardsleague.weebly.com/polls.html

A few polls people can vote on about the FBL - shall post on threads shortly for a wider response.
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14:05 Sat 18 May 13 (BST)  [Link]  
But if following snookers way it would've been played
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14:15 Sat 18 May 13 (BST)  [Link]  
I am not following snookers way lol I think their rule is flawed, I have taken an idea and enhanced it to make it better 3 v 3 until deadline day where restrictions will be lifted like with sub/swap permissions
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