I am sure any football (or any sports fan) fan would rather their team win 1 or 2-0 every game and win the league than 3 or 4-0 and lose the league. I know I would.

And my captaining on here has never been and will never be any different. If my team should go on and beat every other team in every game I would regard us as the greatest clan as should the rest of the league.

Ditto couldn't agree more and find it hard to understand how others can feel different.

I am going to be adopting erigert's method a few pages back...

for every individual win in the fixture I shall award the player 2 points (not 1 like erigert originally said).

If you are the better clan that accumulates the most points, wins the most games and gather the most win bonuses then you should be top of the table.

I think this is a fair compromise of taking into account frames won and game wins.

Not really sure how The Professionals can consider this a hollow victory...

The persistently performed better than Snooker Squad, although there is no disputing they are a cracking clan too. OK Snooker Squad might have won more fixtures but they won them by smaller margins than The Professionals, e.g...

Overall frames
Pro's - 264
SS - 257

Average Win
Pro's - 33 - 15
SS - 32 - 16

I calculated the outcome based on the above stated method and concluded that Pro's won more individual games.

Pro's
36 - 11 (10)
31 - 17 (12)
34 - 14 (10)
34 - 14 (12)
22 - 26 (4)
34 - 14 (8)
34 - 14 (14)
39 - 9 (14)
------------
264 - 119 (84)

SS
26 - 22 (4)
37 - 11 (12)
36 - 12 (10)
35 - 13 (12)
30 - 18 (8)
33 - 15 (10)
26 - 22 (8)
34 - 14 (10)
------------
257 - 127 (74)

But snooker squad never lost a fixture...

I think it is irrelevant, they were not the better clan OVERALL < and that is what I think should count.

They were because they were unbeaten haha

Jeez, it's like talking to Jay

So Jay has sense too?

No, he is just ignorant

pixie, your answers to my first two points argue against each other!
First you talk about fairness, but then you say you're going to disregard it entirely and just take what captains tell you...

And killer was scrapped because people were complaining it was too difficult to arrange, not because player activity was down. Or were there more defaults than in other seasons?

Anyway, you're the runner, you can choose how you want to do it.

Seb, I am stating it isn't fair to look at that 1 moment in time, its ludicrous to be blunt.

I never go by what "captains tell me" I look at real evidence and scrutinise it within an inch of its existence. I never make default decisions lightly and the only reason I am willing to accept information is to avoid deliberate avoidance in playing when at a crucial deciding game.

Killer wasn't scrapped because of complaints because I never received any, it was solely down to lesser player activity.

I don't play in the FBL but thought I'd pop in and give my opinion.
How can you say Snooker Squad were not the better clan lol, clan leagues are a team event, not individual, if one clan goes through a season beating all other clans surely that makes them the better clan, they played as a team and beat all others, doesn't matter what the results were, they were unbeaten as a team, simple as that.
I do like the idea of players earning 2 bonus points for their clan by winning their fixtures but 12 points available for killer worries me.

You and keith see them as unbeaten, because you look at a fixture as a game, and frames as points within.
I think of frames as games, noone goes unbeaten, and Pro's deserved the fbl. Had the shoes been swapped, I'd be congratulating them.

Can't you agree though, that in any match, the more games played, the more accurate the outcome?(in other words, the smaller the chance that the best player won't win)

If you do agree, then realize this,
There are far more frames being won and lost than there are fixtures to work with. So how can you deny that counting frames is more accurate?

Both sides here have valid arguments that can't be explained away.
One side says beating everyone means winning the league.
The other side says winning more frames means winning the league.

Nobody will convince the other side that they're right. So it's just up to the runner to make the choice here.

I'll say this again if y'all don't mind.
When something can be decided by one fixture, luck's too big of a factor.

Didnt see ur post yet seb, I got the hint
I'll stop posting now

Edited at 23:02 Wed 15/05/13 (BST)

not 100% yet, there will only be 1 game for killer to start off with in each fixture, i was going to compensate for this. however I am not too sure now either.

me and beeny baby all the way, if u want to make it fair, make each fbl game best of 31 frames :D

lol, I like where you're going, just don't have that kinda time!
stopping now then

Clans are a team event, if as a team you beat everyone else you deserve to be the champions. That would apply in any team event. If you use frames you are openly asking clans to play all their top players to win as much points as possible rather than utilising their full teams. If you make each game an individual fixture with 2 points for a win, the clan who wins most individual fixtures will win the league but again that clan could lose a game and still win the league, while another clan remain unbeaten and doesn't, as clans are meant to be about being a collective team we appear to be losing what clans are about and we would be as well start individuals competitions and do away with clans.