Is it the actual total of frames won or is it the difference between FOR & AGAINST which determines the eventual winner. Could be an idea more incentive to win as many frames as possible, not play enebriated, stupid o' clock etc.

From what i see its frames for - frames against =

what a bout if a team gets with in six points of the other team they get a point it means teams have something to fight for instead of just getting beat and having nothing to fight for should make games more competitive and if team gets beat by more than 6 points the other team gets 2 points

yeah but tbh a draw here happens very rarely while in football happens often so i dont think that system is the best. maybe this could determine the winner of the league in a right way but i think that there are teams that fight for other objectives, not only to win the league and that would be unfair to them cause for example if they lose a fixture to a team that is below them in quality they can never surpass that team later even if they win all their games 6-0, which in my point of view is unfair too

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No, it is frames accumulated only.

lol it's 3 hours prior to the deadline. Also, clans can still decide to play afterwards. That point is just the default time that counts if it's not played.You'd rather try to figure out the activity of 32 players over 2 weeks?Interesting, because a season ago you scrapped killer because you said it was too difficult and annoying for clans to organize. Now it's supposed to be really easy? What's changed?

Too bad, but your loss. It's been working really well for 4 or 5 seasons now with no incidents whatsoever.

Got to disagree with mich, I think frames won is the better way to decide the season, as this makes every frame throughout the season important!

The best factor should be that a clan who beats all other clans is the best and wins the league. It is very straight forward.
As for scrapping win bonus, the league will turn into a bigger farce than this season at least with win bonus a clan that has been beaten has something to make up, without it it will be even worse

I don't think it should be down to going unbeaten, as say it was 25-23 wins all round, and someone else had 32-16 in all except 1 being 23-25 .. then they deserve to be the winners, being the not unbeaten side.. frames is the fairest way for many reasons, accuracy, etc.

Sorry but we should be getting away from frames won as much as possible. If a clan wins all their games and beats all other teams even by one frame in each case, they should always deserve to win the league as no other clan can beat them.

Clans have 16 players, now most clan captains will have what they believe to be there best 8 players from that 16. If all frames count and best total number of frames wins the league, then a captain should play his best 8 every game and sub in if needed his 9th best etc. The player he rates as number 16 should never get a game if the league is run purely on frames won. How does this format allow for clans to give everyone a chance to play and be part of the 'clan/team'. In my opinion this creates a format that is 'anti' everything a clan should be.

In football a good manager will rest his best players and keep them for the big games, when he plays lesser teams he takes in his fringe players to give them a chance and see how they get on. He still usually leaves a couple of his top players in so he thinks he has enough in the team he picks to win the game. If things start going wrong he usually will sub in one of his top players to try and sort the problem.

In clans it should be no different, if he chooses to play players number 9-16 against another clan and wins by a couple of points, it should mean exactly the same as playing his players 1-8 and winning by 20 points, at the end of the day he has only beat that clan in a one off game.

It is far more skilful to be a captain and use squad rotation and still win all games than it is to put out your top players all the time.

at the same time on Snooker we have it by frames (and +7 for Completion Bonus), we don't have a win bonus and haven't heard many complaints.

Super League (TCL) does have the format you suggested though.

My view is if you win lets say 26-24 vs all clans and one team gets 45-5 all the way through except your team which was 26-24 loss, i do not believe the clan who got all those close results should win the league as they didn't exactly dominate the competition.

How can they deserve to be winners if they cant beat one of the clans? The 'best clan' should be the clan who can beat all other clans, there is no added ability in beating someone by more frames you can come up with several reasons as to why it might happen, but there is a huge ability in being able to pick the correct 8 players using squad rotation and beating all other clans.

Stop speaking sense seb, who can i have a discussion with now

Well theres 1 team u haven't beaten, and its by hardly anything, and it could be a stage in the season where things aint quite right with the team, or things aren't going quite right, but still overall the frames won, and overall amount scored is shown as better I think.

but the leagues wouldn't be fun if everything was done by football. I know about different formats but it isn't the same.

If we had One or Two leagues with Football, and Two with Frames i would be happy, If everyone was the same the world would be a boring place.

if its level pts at the end of season it should go by frame difference and then on record how u done against the teams level on pts with u

If we played an individual competition to find the best player on pool, if you beat every player in that tournament would you consider you would deserve to be the best?

Even if i had beating every other player by larger margins than you had but i then lost to you. So my frame score is better but my win ratio is worse.

If i had lost to you i would never consider myself to be the best if you had beating everyone, even though i had won more frames. The frames dont mean anything if you cannot beat the individual.

Clans should be no different and players who want to be winners and the best, should want to beat everyone and not win even though they can beat most teams by large amounts but fail to beat one.

Professionals won FBL this season and as a player for them, i think its a joke and SS are the rightful winners and should be the winners in my eyes i take nothing from our win as we could not beat them so we do not deserve to be the winners, the league system did not work and it is a complete hollow victory that means nothing. Where as other leagues/cups i have won i have done on merit as we have beating the rest of the clans who entered.

Well I see that as an individual thing but still id go by the frames won overall, because that shows how every frame counts, and shows your taking advantage of getting the frames you can against each side. But everyone has their own opinion and view on it all.

So would it be fair that all through the fixture Underdogs had 3 people online everyday but then 9PM on deadline day they only have 1 but the opposing clan who have been inactive all fixture suddenly have 3 online for the default time? Fair?

No, I have already stated that I will not do that, hence no default system, but I will accept any information from captains that can prove the opposing clan failed to get a game played when given a chance.

No I didn't, I posted a few pages back, the ONLY reason killer was scrapped was because player activity was obviously down.

That is all very well and good... for snooker but it is not something I intend on using.

The FBL has not changed its format since I got it, I don't even think it has been changed since it started. It was not predicted that a scenario like this would come up but I have to follow the rules that are set out and the rule I have adhered to all season - The clan that accumulated the most points are The Professionals and if you cannot be happy on that title then I'm sorry.