whos having ago Jay mate? im just commenting on the idea.

I just feel if killer is in the league then defaults need to be done otherwise you can have people refuse to play and possibly argue that the other types shouldn't have it as well.

I will always disagree with double points (due to Straight) but i like the point deductions and this isn't having ago at anyone, its just how i feel about the idea.

Edited at 23:56 Mon 13/05/13 (BST)

Did i single you out in my post, it may not have even been in the direction of anyone that posted.

never said you did

I'm against win bonuses too.
Frames more accurately represent the team that did best, not fixtures.
Why look at a fixture as one big game, when it's actually many games?
Frames are not like goals in a football game, they're each a game of their own, and I think every one should count.
So, in response to:
"You should be scrapping defaults and increasing win bonus so that we never have another scenario where a team wins all their games yet doesn't win the league."

and "It should not matter if you win 25-23 or 40 - 8 as long as you win the fixture."

The way I see it, noone wins all their games, only their fixtures. Not enough fixtures really for an accurate representation. But there's plenty of frames, so I think it does matter in that 25-23 or 40-8 situation, it's exactly the info that's needed, to separate the best from the best.

To be the best you should be able to beat every clan and if you cant you are not the best.

If you are in a cup competition which is a knock out, if you win all your games you win the cup a league should be no different if you win all your games you should win the league

When pro's play SS, I think we all agree there's not much telling who's gonna win. We'll win a fixture, they'll win a fixture, we'll draw sometimes.
One fixture isn't enough to decide it, we need to count every frame played, against everyone, and we have enough info to decide a proper winner.
That's why Cup isn't the most respected title.
When something can be decided by one fixture, luck's too big a factor.

Edited at 01:30 Tue 14/05/13 (BST)

The practical problem with having fixture wins decide everything is that lots of games will become worthless!
Against some of the lower teams, many fixtures are decided with 2/3 games to spare- those will be absolutely worthless and people wont bother playing them. At the moment, we can still say "every frame counts". With fixture wins, that's not the case.

The FBL next season will be decided on frames and frames alone as I think this is the fairest representation for a clan. It should be that every frame counts and I feel for the clans who lose out on a win bonus because they lost their fixture by 1 point.

Regarding KILLER and default, I already put too much of my time into doing everything for this league. I am not prepared to sit and construct an inane system for how KILLER default points should be awarded as well as everything else. It is not a simple case of analysing the potential 3 players from each clan, I theoretically need to look at every member in the clan to determine activity and attempt to play, there may be days where 1 clan has the players on and other days the other clans players are on. Some clans will struggle to get 3 online for killer.

The stipulation will be that if a KILLER game is not completed I will accept default information and deduct points from clans whose fault it is for the default, whether that be 1 or both clans - this should tackle the "loophole" that people are concerned about regarding a deciding game. This deduction of points will not be rolled out to any other formats, just KILLER.

why dont you give bonus points for winning a single game and not give them for the whole fixture completed. i dont know if i explain myself well but heres an example

TEAM 1 VS TEAM 2
here are the imaginary scores

3-3
2-4
0-6
4-2
5-1
6-0
0-6
4-2

the ovarall score in frames is 24-24
now i would like to add to those points the number of games won. TEAM 1 has won 4 games in the fixture so their score goes 28 points. TEAM 2 has won 3 games so their score goes 27 points.

so overall its 28-27 to TEAM 1

in this way i think that in the end would win the team with most frames won and with most games won

That is not a half bad idea Eri I shall have a think about it

I like this idea as a halfway point to the argument while still making every frame crucial till the end

By the way pixie, we have a fairly simple killer default system in place on snooker

Yeah, it is like a compromise really of the two aspects, if this is something that people want then it will definitely be implemented.

I really don't want to have a default system in place but thanks for pointing out snooker has one

thank god you understand my idea i wasnt sure bout it with all the crap that i wrote above

Yeah but you'll have to make a choice on either killer with default or no killer. Because killer with no default will not work! The team that's ahead simply refuses to play...

I already said there will be deductions for clans that cause defaults in KILLER only

Ah but then you have to see who's causing it again. Hard to tell when you're talking about an entire team! Here's my prediction:
Everyone will constantly be posting on the other team's thread "we have 3 on, can you play?" to get your attention for the non-punishment.

and just wait until you start deducting points...
"you deduct from us but don't deduct from them??? The other week this other team did the same and they didn't get a deduction!! "
"we were way more active, how can you deduct from us?"
"Look at all our posts!! Can't believe you've deducted, I hate you!!!"

but gl!

But then I would have to do that for defaults anyway.

I am happy to accept default information and I will make a decision based on what I get and IF it is a deciding game then it will be under extra scrutiny for any foul play

Not if you used the snooker system