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faust
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14:03 Mon 13 May 13 (BST)  [Link]  
for defaults id say if i team have more than 3 - 4 defaults in a fixture id deduct points might get games played quickeras for killer id either add it or scrap it all together as last season there was a killer league then a cup comp it got too much as theres

fcl fixture
fcl cup
fbl fixture
fbl cup
tcl fixture
tcl cup
killer cup
killer fixture (ran by onevist)

thats alot of games soo either bring back killer or not bother with it at all


I preferred killer when it was simply part of the FBL fixture, I can never keep up with the other fixtures.

Regarding the league, I think the title should be awarded exclusively to the team that finishes 3rd overall! :P
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14:25 Mon 13 May 13 (BST)  [Link]  
What if next season you finished 1st

The ONLY reason that killer was removed this season is because player activity was low, it seems to be picking up again so it might get implemented back into the league.
erigert
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14:38 Mon 13 May 13 (BST)  [Link]  
for defaults id say if i team have more than 3 - 4 defaults in a fixture id deduct points might get games played quickeras for killer id either add it or scrap it all together as last season there was a killer league then a cup comp it got too much as theres

fcl fixture
fcl cup
fbl fixture
fbl cup
tcl fixture
tcl cup
killer cup
killer fixture (ran by onevist)

thats alot of games soo either bring back killer or not bother with it at all


I preferred killer when it was simply part of the FBL fixture, I can never keep up with the other fixtures.

Regarding the league, I think the title should be awarded exclusively to the team that finishes 3rd overall! :P


i fully AGREE
cke1982
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14:49 Mon 13 May 13 (BST)  [Link]  
killer is only chance u get to play as a team so id like it put back in each fixture
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14:55 Mon 13 May 13 (BST)  [Link]  
Having had a discussion with Jay about it, KILLER will be reintroduced to the league but as 1 frame, there will be less restrictions as before but if a game doesn't get played there will be NO default system in place. So basically if the game isn't played there will be no default points awarded. As there will only be 1 frame to start off with the number of points available will be doubled so 12 points are at stake instead of 6. If KILLER goes well this season then a second frame may be introduced the season afterwards.
punkpoet
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15:48 Mon 13 May 13 (BST)  [Link]  
So teams could tactically refuse to play killer? I mean if your winning by a point with only killer to go i can see some clans openly refusing.
bluenose1872
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18:19 Mon 13 May 13 (BST)  [Link]  
The incentive here is 12 points are up for grabs. More points available the more clans will do their best to play. My thinking anyway.
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19:13 Mon 13 May 13 (BST)  [Link]  
Defaults can be played tactically and there will deterents in place to stop clans getting defaults i.e. point deductions.

You can tactically play whether there are defaults are not.
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21:40 Mon 13 May 13 (BST)  [Link]  
Getting off the subject,i think any clan who allows there players who are not involved in a certain match.Should lose posting rights for non stop posting of rubbish as seen with UB v Eagles.This fixture was over yesterday. but still constaint posting by UB's.Are atleast the captain should stop any player not involved in the fixture from posting the rubbish.merley an oppenion
(sure widh i could spell,but you get the point lol)
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22:13 Mon 13 May 13 (BST)  [Link]  
That would come under a moderators job and league as nothing to do with moderators..
dgeneratio
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22:26 Mon 13 May 13 (BST)  [Link]  
either killer should be mandatory (and defaults awarded) or be separate, if you bring double points you would get the Straight argument a few seasons ago that one of those could decide the league which isn't what we want.

Point deductions can be a good idea for those clans who repeat defaults but should only be used in an emergency. If your doing point deductions then perhaps fixture bans are in order as well for those players who consistently appear on defaults.
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22:43 Mon 13 May 13 (BST)  [Link]  
I agree with the fact that defaults should be awarded if it is part of an actual fixture, and i like the idea of it being part of the league
horse10000
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22:58 Mon 13 May 13 (BST)  [Link]  
Personally, I prefer basing it on frames, to me it just feels like more of a collective win for the players of the clan as a whole as opposed to those that played in each separate fixture if that makes sense lol

I think next season I will scrap both sets of bonus points (win & no default) so it just frames alone that determines a win.

Also I have been speaking to someone that is more than likely going to be instated as a league runner next season and Killer might be making a reappearance in the league IF clans and players remains as active as they are at this current moment. Although I might tweak the format, we'll see.


Its bad enough what happened this season without changing to this.

Default points could be scrapped tomorrow as they are pointless anyway, they dont punish the team that is responsible when games are not completed and clans who have done everything to get games done are penalised when they are not.

You should be scrapping defaults and increasing win bonus so that we never have another scenario where a team wins all their games yet doesn't win the league.

There is no ability in putting out your 8 best players to try and win by as much points as possible. Clan leagues should encourage clans to play all their players and if by using your pool of players you win all your games you deserve to be champions.

It should not matter if you win 25-23 or 40 - 8 as long as you win the fixture.
horse10000
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23:02 Mon 13 May 13 (BST)  [Link]  
either killer should be mandatory (and defaults awarded) or be separate, if you bring double points you would get the Straight argument a few seasons ago that one of those could decide the league which isn't what we want.


Totally agree, you either have killer mandatory with a default time to play if game is not played in the 2 weeks or you do not have it at all to take it in and not make it mandatory would be a farce.

So professionals are playing SS next season in a league decider and one is leading by a couple of points with killer to play. One side would be desperate to play and the other would refuse point blank as why risk winning the league when it is not mandatory to play

Sorry will never work
whocares8x8
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23:05 Mon 13 May 13 (BST)  [Link]  
^^Then why increase the win bonus? Why not just make a fixture win worth 3 points like in football if you want the league to work that way.
horse10000
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23:11 Mon 13 May 13 (BST)  [Link]  
^^Then why increase the win bonus? Why not just make a fixture win worth 3 points like in football if you want the league to work that way.


Would be fine by me as it means a clan that wins all games wins the league
whocares8x8
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01:04 Tue 14 May 13 (BST)  [Link]  
If that's what is wanted, I would think it's the better solution rather than making it a 20 point win bonus.
bluenose1872
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01:08 Tue 14 May 13 (BST)  [Link]  
Think what Jema said was if a team is refusing to play it because of the scenario that Keith has given then they would lose points.

20 win bonus a fixture in the FBL - I don't see that ever happening!

I do kind of agree with no defaults though, and an increase in win bonus (This would work for FCL).

Having a go at Jema is not really fair though, getting ridiculed over an idea or what ever.
whocares8x8
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02:04 Tue 14 May 13 (BST)  [Link]  
Who is having a go on this thread?
whocares8x8
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02:07 Tue 14 May 13 (BST)  [Link]  
About the win bonus- it doesn't really matter whether you make it 10, 20, or 30. What is being said is that it should be decisive enough to mean that the winning team wins the league.
In that case, why not make it like in football? That will truly guarantee it.

Although I'd be absolutely against this and am against the win bonus in general
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