Excuse me?

Fact? prove your ridiculous comment before you even say fact! You sent the information to Jema and she posted it so please get it right, for me to post it i would need access to Jema's account, which i don't have FACT!

You have some bloody nerve Lee you really do pal.

Read Team Angry thread and my last post, maybe in future you should give me some time to write a bloody reply to you before posting ridiculous accusations like that. I am busy doing other things, hence why you never got a fast reply.

If i wanted to tamper with your evidence then half of it would be missing. Jema had the links to your information and MVP's stored on her laptop so i could put them on, as she did already say we where together at the time but she was busy.

Edited at 02:54 Sat 24/03/12 (GMT)

from my post on angries thread

Easy enough to prove Jay


You say yourself you posted it there! Got to have a really good memory if you're going to lie against me cos mine is excellent

I answered that on Angry thread mate

If you want to reply to it then post on here thanks, don't want to keep it going on Angry thread to be honest.

You maintained through that argument/discussion on angry thread no re opening of the locked info but now lee as kicked off cos he dint like the outcome its got reopened, now you have re opened it for one clan you gotta give EVERY OTHER clan the right for a review over what result as been said IMHO

Why do i need a good memory? Here is the simple fact, Jema got the information she then saved it as image on photobucket and the links where on her laptop. I had her laptop later on in the day and forgot about defaults so i was the one that went on and posted them for her on the default page. Easy to understand if you ask me.

I don't see the need to cheat at all, even without that result of 7 - 7 MVP are still top of the league and even then i never joined MVP for title wins or anything like that i joined them for the pure fact it would be an honour to play for a great clan. Title is just a bonus and they certainly dont need my help with winning any games or trying to fix scores or defaults what ever else i have been accused of. There clan league record for the past 10+ seasons prove that.

Read what i said though in return yo your post.

There was information that Lee has proved was there in the first place, that is the reason i re-opened it... simple really. Information was missed by runner and now it is being added as it is the right thing to do mate.

So you want me to re-open the Crazy Eights default? that was a blatant 11 - 4 to man_up and every single default member said so, ask ipotalot if you want he is on that panel.

Top Pool Aces default would you like that re-opened? They had two whole days to send in information but never did. So you think it is right that it is re-opened and it is voted on again with there information? I don't think so they had two days and they missed it end of.

Lee actually sent that missed information in his evidence page(s) it was missed and that is the only reason the default is re-opened.

Surely this whole matter has nothing to do with teams, its to do with the defaults being done properly ???

The information was recovered from my account, saved to my laptop and then Jay uploaded them. I didn't feel well so left the laptop and the defaults, Jay posted them for me when he did his divisions defaults.

You are lucky Jay is as nice as he is re-opening the default, because I wouldn't. Not that I think the result with change.

There was no cheating or malicious intent, I don't have any reason for that and Jay only uploaded what I saved from your messages.

If the opposing captain or player the default it is against thinks they have been hard done by then yes i do Jay as you have re opened this one

Lets face it the bits that were missing(as seen on angry thread) is Lee's version of what happened over the 2 weeks, what if Adam's are completely different and ya missed puttin up HIS version up you gunna re open it once again?

Sarah apparently it is about me being a cheat and biased! These accusations really are getting old now, every head league runner has been accused at some point, sure James was also accused of this once and thats what made him start to think about quitting.

8.9.2 Logins
Logins will be just as important as Rule 8.9.3, browsing times will not count as much however.

8.9.3 Messaging
A player having messaged their opponent to arrange a time to play counts favourably for that player.

8.9.4 Failure to respond
Failure to respond to a message (particularly if having logged in in the meantime) goes against the receiving player.

8.9.5 Not using substitutions
A clan failing to use their option of substituting a player into the game within the deadline counts negatively.

8.9.6 Timing of substitutions
While using the option of a substitution is positive, doing it very close to the fixture deadline is not, since this leaves little or no time for the opposing player to arrange a time to play.

8.9.7 Relevance to overall fixture outcome
All default games are judged separately and independently. Each default is decided purely on the evidence provided for that game between those two players, regardless of what impact this has on the overall outcome of the fixture. The defaults panel is encouraged to refrain from looking at overall results at all before giving their input.

You don't actually have logins and what about leaving a game and not coming on to finish and not showing up when arranged?

I have no reason to re-open it again, as when i asked for division two defaults, Alan sent me MVP default information as he was not aware that Jema would be taking division one information as she posted hers late. My inbox goes back nearly two weeks so i still have the message and after Lee posted the missing information on his side i then went back and checked the information from MVP and made sure none of that was missing. Far as i can tell it is all there.

Dan the decision is so obviously wrong it's untrue!
If I had known you didn't have the log in information available I would have posted on MVP's thread everytime he didn't show up but the fact he admitted in a message that he hadn't turned up when we arranged should have been enough anyway!
All the evidence for what I say is there and sorry for not accepting being stood up evening after evening and getting a draw out of it cos it's the most ludicrous decision ever!
Him getting a couple of points extra on default shouldn't have happened but a draw is just criminal!

You keep speaking like it was the runners that done the default prediction on the games, when it wasn't. I can't answer for the default team on why they decided what scoreline can i? only they can do that..... but im not going to message them and ask them to explain on the threads either.

Is nothing to do with you being biased , but when a player leaves a game and fails to complete , unless the opponent is inactive , how can it be a 7-7 ???

As i said above runners where not involved so we dont know the reasons behind the decisions that were made, not everyone posts reasons for it they just post the voted score.

Jay I know you don't make the predictions I do defaults myself after all I was pointing out that the guidelines are wrong and this section is just rubbish.

8.10 League player activity logs
All players in the league will have their activity on funkypool.com logged automatically. Only information about online status is logged, no information about forum posts, which game rooms you visit or any such information is stored at all - solely whether a player is online or not. This information is essential for fair ruling of defaults, when messaging or other relevant information is not available. All logged data is strictly confidential, deleted as soon as possible, and not tied to your person in any other way than your funkypool user name.

If you had the information you said you would you would see that he wasn't online to play in the whole fortnight except for deadline day...hence why i'm feeling a touch aggrieved

maybe fcl default staff should have have some prediction guidelines, the same as fbl do

You were involved though because you didn't post the parts that explained the scenario...they don't know from the messages that he didn't log on for 2 days after he went for his dinner and when he did it was at 1am and didn't bother messaging me so I messaged him again.
They don't know that I sat on here evening after evening waiting for him but if my info had been posted wouldn't have taken them 2 seconds to check from my forum posts!