why is this forum cluttered up with all this rubbish ...

jay or a league runner can you not just draw a line under this and move the thread on please

its much the same as last season ,, defaults being openly discussed new information being submitted........

thought all these loop holes had been closed ,,, anyways can we move the topics on rather read pages of insults and counter insults

simple just sort it and move on

correct not sure if kev had it but im pretty sure the others has.

no matter what league runners do each one ill be accused of being bias at some point and theres no way to counter that but in my opinion the main problem is the 15 points we have to work with, take FBL ive never been on but its easier to predict as you only have 6 points to work with.

about replaying i don't think that would be right as its like an extension.

I got to see it by going into jem's photobucket account as she posted a screen from it on our page

http://s1220.photobucket.com/albums/dd443/jemaphillips/

Loads of rubbish in there personal opinions, accusations and blatant lies from alan and rapid_pot yet myexplanations were deleted from my evidence.

erm so everyone has access to the account?

not sure why defaults are private if people are allowed to see it :S

wheres my lies in there ?, I only quoted posts and entered it, no story by me this time.
As far as your explanations I'm starting to wonder if they existed, at the end of the day an explanation is just your word against Adam's
Also if you had access to the default info you gained an unfair advantage, allowing you to word your explanation properly.
This needs seriously looked at.

Edited at 13:21 Sat 24/03/12 (GMT)

Arghhhhh can't believe i am saying this but i agree with you craig

We have had 5 members of a different league doing a default yet it has caused more arguments than ever.

As for moving the thread on, i think we should extend all games to 4 weeks to try and get rid of defaults

Any team who doesn't manage in 4 weeks gets docked 50 points unless they can prove 100% that is not their fault

You waffle on about how I could have played on the saturday but avoided the game lol
Your player wasn't on saturday till when I was out for the evening as I had messaged him on the wednesday and told him I would be.
You make up crap about me browsing. Only times I was browsing was saturday morning and early saturday evening before I went out as i've already said your player had arranged to play thursday and hadn't shown or been in contact since.

The point i was making is that as we have re-opened a can of worms finish it off the proper way so no one can then complain at final score

I knew lee would never go for it as like after adam left the game, lee didn't want to play the game and would prefer trying to win game by default.

Your browsing was high for most of the fixture, even one of your teammates advised when i commented on it, that it is because you browse on your phone a lot. No problem with that at all, but you are never going to play the game on your phone.

Did not realise my photobucket album was so openly available to view. This has been changed and no one can see my album now - any further uploads on this account for defaults will not be accessable.

The information that was missed was only a version of events by a player. Defaults shouldn't be judged on a players fortnightly story, it should be based on the messages between players and forum posts, this information is vital and was included on the defaults forum.

There is no bias involved in this default as the FACTS has been posted and 5 default panelists came to a decision which 3 league runners then agreed was fair... when i read through it, i didnt look at the he said/she said stuff, i looked at the factual evidence and based my opinion on that, as i am sure the defaults panel also did.

i honestly do not think the result will change, no one has even commented on it yet which means that their votes are unchanged. I think this has gone completely over the top and the default should have just been accepted without question. Only reason this has been reopened is because Jay asked me nicely, if it were me, i would have told you to naff off.

anyways i just read about 5 pages of team angry thread and i seriously wanted to puke.

log ins - we haven't had them since janmb left the site as you need a linux computer and a stable net connection, only way to counter that would be to note each day 200 members in the league as you know we can't as it would take hours. if we could have them then great would solve 80% of defaults but atm its not possible.

default info - i believe Jay did right thing about posting default info if Jem was unwell but if info was missed then default should be reopened which it has. your clan team and league runner has always been 2 different jobs, i mean on snooker me or seb post the default info even for our own clan plus we comment on our defaults as well unless one of us is actually in the default and you will be surprised how little people complained about results.

pool however always has something to complain about, yes adam wasn't as active and yes lee was (i think didn't really check) but all this forum complaining doesn't solve anything but instead make matters worse, instead message the concerned runner offline with info missed and request a revote.

the most difficult job of a defaults panel is when both members send different information which then you have to use your sources to find out whats what.

i think this whole site and thing with defaults becoming a joke.

people starving and dying in this world we get the privilidge of being able to have internet and play pool yet still taken way to seriously, put your effort into the real world and not a online game GROW UP/

never going to please everyone jay,jem and keith just stick with what u think best.

I think this has gone or for far to long now, not alone does myself get accused of cheating but also a certain clan gets accused of cheating. I'll say again and only one more time, yeah a bit of information was missed (not by me, which Jema fully admitted) it is a very easy mistake to make considering when you receive pages of evidence.

The default is re-opened on the pure fact of that information that has been missed because i think it is the fairest thing to do. The insults that have been thrown about the place since last night are becoming a joke now and it needs to stop.

angel - I know you sent me this in offline message to but i may as well say it here. Division One default panel was a member short (had four people but their is five clans). Assassins team had no one that was willing to join the panel so it was decided one more person from a division two clan would join the panel. staffie_man was first choice and he accepted that, thanks again mate.

i see ipotalot lost his posting rights
thats not good

ive being reading the about the above events,

i am a team captain and have been assured the default panel was all singing and all dancing and how much better this was going to be with unbiased people

league runners telling people how the league will be run right this season ????

regardless of who is right and who is wrong here , will some one please explain how the defaults panel can arrive with these 2 scores please

1) fleetwood v cphaynes 12-0

when fleetwood was online his results page showed tht with or without any information being supplied so effort was made ,,,,, he gets a 0 ????

2) ipotalot v rapid_pot 7-7
when the score was 2-1 and a player or players never played the rest of the games forget reasons the facts are simple the games never got played

i see information on one wasnt given and on another wasnt posted

i then read people have access to default information

people instead of asking wether i do or dont have access as FBL admin (doing the tables) how about you get this house in order

i cant believe the above events, ipotalot be him right or wrong has lost his posting rights due to his frustration this league has caused by forgetting or loosing info

if lee was sailing close to the wind or not the above events either helped tip the balance or directly lead to it

how can league runners allow this to happen

Edited at 00:53 Sun 25/03/12 (GMT)

jay id suggest if you want to discuss on an open forum what i do for FBL id suggest you ask me ,,, or a league runner in fbl rather than posting it on team angry thread

id suggest once more
get your own house in order before worrying what other people are doing

12-0 7-7

un real and default info being put out for people to view

and your telling me this has changed from last season

antione08 asked how this info was disclosed, and a swift answer given ,,, it dosnt matter how or why and an excuse it shouldnt happen should it

please dont go on at me saying this has nothing to do with me or any other captain ,,, because it does

slating people no iv asked for an answer or answers so please think before answering please

Edited at 00:55 Sun 25/03/12 (GMT)

Edited at 02:07 Sun 25/03/12 (BST)

Well to settle this one firstly, ipotalot has lost his posting rights yeah, he has only himself to blame for that, he was the one insulting people on the threads and lets be truthful here he has done it several times in the past and nothing has been done about it. I myself never spoke out of order to him in my opinion and it would have been easier to sort through offline message but instead he opted for the thread argumeants. That being said i don't feel it is right me sitting here and talking about him when he can't even post or try to defend himself so ill stop just now.



His default information was not even sent in despite the team having two full days and a reminder about it to be sent in. The default team are told to go by the information submitted to them and go by that alone. His result page makes no odds to any of it as you can log on and still not make any effort to play your game or just a game in general. The information sent in by Chris was messages with no reply from fleetwood and that being said fleetwood has not even denied not sending a reply. Maybe if they sent in information then 3 points or more would have been rewarded to fleetwood.

Running out of characters so will continue on another post...

again i ask how can he with or without info get a 0 when he was online

and how can they arrive at 12-0

His default information was not even sent in despite the team having two full days and a reminder about it to be sent in. The default team are told to go by the information submitted to them and go by that alone. His result page makes no odds to any of it as you can log on and still not make any effort to play your game or just a game in general.

Craig you could suggest that yes, but as i said in posts last night i had no involvement in the actual decision on any scoreline given in the defaulted games.

It was also posted last night by Jema that the information missing was her fault and she admitted that and i corrected it how i seen fit at the time.

The default panel forum is indeed private, you can see who posted on the other forum page last though but you can not see anything that was written on it, the only reason ipotalot and others could see what had been said was because for one Jema posted what was said and blanked out all the usernames so no one could see who had said what but she left mine unblanked to prove that i indeed had nothing to do with the default and i was only helping a member to try and re-size the information that was on an image. That was proved to be the case. Secondly the only reason ipotalot and others actually seen information that was submitted by MVP was because Jema had used photobucket to transfer the images over (was only way to do it) but her photobucket was set as public so anyone could see her photos basically and look at them, that has now also been corrected and set to private.

and your point is

12-0

info or not he was online ,,,,,, 12 for doing what