As captain of one of their opposition, I have no issues with their new playersbeing allowed to sub in.

I think because of the circumstances and the effort put in by some in the clan an exception could be made.

I put it to other captains, would any of you really be upset if Jay allowed this ?

But you are missing out on having a better idea on how viable a team is by not letting new players play. Not just Underdogs that applies to everyone.

As for a previous reason against it given that on the last couple of days you could just go into the chat room and get people to play your games then surely that is no different to going out and getting new signings anyway? You wont ever know whether they will commit or carry on. And ultimately the League Runners would still have the final say anyway.

i wouldnt have a problem with it personally, but bein so close to deadline im not sure if it would help much

but like i said, i wouldnt object, been on everyday and am dyin to play lol

Chris mate, im actually tryin to put a good word in for underdogs by sayin give them a chance :s because underdogs are clearly tryin to fix things...im not sayin take a look and shoot them down regardless

Whole host of reasons why it shouldn't be allowed

-you don't break rules for one team, it's same rules for everyone, else the 2 clans that have folded during these pre-seasons would have every right to complain.
-if you aren't signed up and eligible when fixtures come out for any games then you don't play in them, fundamental rule.
-what's to stop teams getting someone in the chatroom to play a game? Doesn't mean they will play any more for the clan
-You are allowed 16 players in a squad, more than enough to cope with internet issues, acts of god and new signings if you have allowed your squad numbers to drop to 9 then you are asking for trouble.

What does a clan's reliability from last season have to do with this season?

And I'm not sure why you keep thinking that everything I do and say on here aims to give Snooker Squad some sort of unfair advantage. Getting a bit tired of it to be honest. Every time?

By agreeing with that quote from rick, you're following the same quite frankly stupid logic. Since either way we have to play preseason friendlies, what difference does it make to Snooker Squad?

i fully understand ur reasons lee mate, but preseason friendlies are to test reliability, how can a team test reliability if they cant play

I didn't think you were. Was just trying to explain why there is no logic to the way it is being done. People are prepared to make a judgement on what new players might be like rather than atually seeing what they're like.

For those who who cant always see the bigger picture. I am not saying change the rules now to benefit any one team but at least see the failed logic for the future.

All there players have signed knowing they couldn't play these game so as I say I suggesting subs they already have. Not any new ones so chat rooms have nothing to do with it.

I have a squad of 15. And I struggle for subs as 5 are unable to play because of the rules. You start a new clan at the end of a season and before you know it your putting your teamlist in. Not possible for all clans to have 16 eligible players.

And I've already said my problem with the fundamental rule for friendlys.

Again because of the effort made by chris, let them play!

and seb i agree with you, last seasons reliability should mean nothin seein as a number of teams have quite a few new players and the league runner should be worried about reliability of new players

exactly what i was tryin to get at mate, no1 knows if they will be reliable unless they can play

and yea somethin to look at in future seasons

No failed logic, everyone should always be able to complete fixtures because you replace players as and when you need to so new signings shouldn't have to be judged at all and there is no reason to break the rule about who is eligible in the future either.
You like your football analogies chris, don't think that you can sign 3 players at halftime and they come trotting out for the second half.
We've had a new signing not eligible cos of 1 month rule, a player offline a month and a new signing not eligible and we've still got 6 active players ready to play each of our last 2 games, that's why we have big squads.
Excuses and sympathy keep coming but if the clan was run properly we wouldn't have a problem.

so lets look at this

rules are rules end of..

the league has stopped teams playing before so the precident has been set

be it right or wrong

division one winners have never played in pre_season qualifying, now we want to change that to

capatains permission in the rules lets change that

why cant you just leave things alone, and concentrate on the most important thing reducing defaults

heaven sake 16 players,,,, what next 20,,, sign anyone for any fixture who maybe online

just leave things alone and make this league work

Interesting point that one. Actually in a friendly game I am not 100% convinced that they would not be able to. In most cases, if indeed not all, you dont actually need to be registered with a club to play for them in a friendly/trial match.

But you havent addressed the question.

Why is it better to make a part judgment of a team's reliability and viability based on new players that have not played when you could actually have seen them play?

surely if u can count defaults on 1 hand after 80+ games, there is no issue with defaults

Thats not very 'progressive'!!!! Lmao.

why on earth do i want to talk about you or your previous clan having a handfull of defaults, what is that relavant to

im talking about clans who completed a season and had way to many defaults,

Would you have actually minded playing in pre-seasons craig? As you and MVP set up a friendly to try out your new guys anyway i'm pretty sure you wouldn't.
Captain's permission needs a ruling anyway as it is a current issue, either captains have the right to keep unhappy players or the players have the right to move...needs a decision because you can guarantee we will have another transfer sparking arguments soon otherwise.
I'm actually pretty confident about defaults this season, especially now seb has decided to sign some people that use the site finally Teams are looking good in the pre-seasons, would still prefer a no-default bonus as an incentive for clans to get games done but if the default scores get judged properly not giving 8-7 results to 2 players who haven't done a thing that will have an effect.

The problem is the playing pool does not support 12 clans of 16 players not clans not being run properly. Thats why I and a couple of others suggested a franchise system of limiting clan entries up front to whatever the league can sustain. That was shot down too.

craig i never said u was talkin about me or my previous clan, hmmmmm, its all in ur head

snooker squad and mvp had OTT defaults, lookin at defaults page, they didnt lose many, so not there fault...and even if it was, 1 or 2 clans with an OTT default record doesnt mean we av default issues, maybe clans or players issues is actually the reason....

i still dont see how we have a default issue....