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01:26 Wed 11 Sep 13 (BST)  [Link]  
If for example MVP were to enter one team where would the disadvantage be?

There are as many pitfalls for a team trying to tactically juggle two teams in a successful way as there are advantages.
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01:37 Wed 11 Sep 13 (BST)  [Link]  
How can you match fix, it is just utilising the players in your clan in whatever way you want, is that not a good thing as it would require skill from a captaining point of view?
If the two teams are playing each other, you can bet that the one that's looking good in the tables will win every single game with whitewashes.
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01:46 Wed 11 Sep 13 (BST)  [Link]  
Maybe MVP should enter one team lol

Nah being serious now, it all comes down to what can happen when team A plays team B, lets be honest, its not going to be a tight fixture if one has the chance to win the league.
Could always have team A play team B in the first fixture set

Edited at 22:49 Tue 10/09/13 (BST)
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01:46 Wed 11 Sep 13 (BST)  [Link]  
1. Its unlikely the teams will play each other in the league stage depending on numbers - once you get to the knock-out stage then its irrelevant anyway.

2. Whitewashes would be daft! There's 4 points to the winners and 1 point to losers who score a certain number of points so you would fabricate that score if you wanted to. But see 1) above

3. Regardless of the above I also think it underestimates the competitive nature of players on here.
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01:57 Wed 11 Sep 13 (BST)  [Link]  
I don't agree with two teams now, clans are going to match fix left, right and center which i don't see the fun in.


How can you match fix, it is just utilising the players in your clan in whatever way you want, is that not a good thing as it would require skill from a captaining point of view?

I have to agree with James, I think this should only be allowed if all clans enter 2 teams, any clan entering one team is wasting their time, total disadvantage from the start.


Two teams are going to be in different leagues so they would only play each other in knockout. As for entering one team it would be an advantage as opposed to entering 2 as you could play your top team every game with one team as opposed you would require to use good captaining skills with 2 to get them to qualify from the 2 leagues
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01:59 Wed 11 Sep 13 (BST)  [Link]  
How can you match fix, it is just utilising the players in your clan in whatever way you want, is that not a good thing as it would require skill from a captaining point of view?
If the two teams are playing each other, you can bet that the one that's looking good in the tables will win every single game with whitewashes.


They could only play in knockout as they would be in different leagues so the above scenario can't happen.
whocares8x8
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02:02 Wed 11 Sep 13 (BST)  [Link]  
I see I'm not up to date with the new league...
so you have multiple teams in multiple leagues?
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02:02 Wed 11 Sep 13 (BST)  [Link]  
I actually think with the short format and small teams it would be a lot better with no bonus points at all for any events and just let the frames decide. Judging by how close the 5 games have been and the killer scoring it looks like killer will decide a lot of fixtures not sure if that is a good thing or not.

Why not just score killer 3 for 1st, 2 for 2nd and 1 for 3rd, yes it means you can get a 3-3 draw but you can also win 5-1 or 4-2 which is more realistic in scoring terms than the 10-3 that can be scored on the current format.



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horse10000
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02:05 Wed 11 Sep 13 (BST)  [Link]  
I see I'm not up to date with the new league...
so you have multiple teams in multiple leagues?


As long as there is numbers Chris is speaking about doing leagues so if you enter two clans you could only meet in knock out and if numbers are low you would play your own clan early so the scenario you mentioned is very unlikely.
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02:22 Wed 11 Sep 13 (BST)  [Link]  
still possible though with whitewashes. Team B forfeiting to make Team A look good...

IF its group stages like world cup then it might work but it could happen in knockouts too. If its play your clan first then it could happen.
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03:07 Wed 11 Sep 13 (BST)  [Link]  
I simply cannot see any of Uprising's members having such low integrity, and pride - that they would throw games just so the clan's name would win the comp. I certainly wouldn't as a player, and I'd be unhappy if any of my players felt any different! If we enter 2 teams, then they will act as separate entities - even if other clans choose to act differently (Which I don't believe they would).

As for bonus points, I say only for 3 fouls! :P
whocares8x8
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03:11 Wed 11 Sep 13 (BST)  [Link]  
True and with 2 different leagues, the potential is minimized.

But considering how vehemently everyone always complains about the problem of "match-fixing" in the FCL and FBL, I'm surprised it's not a worry here.
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03:26 Wed 11 Sep 13 (BST)  [Link]  
i still dont get something though. If we have two teams of same clan in the knockouts and one gets eliminated, can the players of the eliminated team still continue with the other team for the next round?
dgeneratio
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03:41 Wed 11 Sep 13 (BST)  [Link]  
Regarding the two teams issue, I have thought about it and decided to go with the original plan.

As far as the League is concerned A & B teams are interchangeable however no one player can play in both the A & B teams during the same fixture period. This gives Captains freedom to decide tactics. They can stick with two even teams, favour one team over the other or tactically switch players around to try and get both teams through at the expense of others.

Assuming there are sufficient numbers there will be two groups from which teams will compete to qualify for the play-offs. Where clans have an A & B team entered, one will be drawn in each group.

^ i would assume so eri
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17:36 Wed 11 Sep 13 (BST)  [Link]  
Super League IV - Trial Match

Uprising (30) v (37) Rest of the World

angry_bacon 8 v 6 fuunky
erigert 6 v 6 clarebye
2andygorams 6 v 6 bluenose1872
cgibson92 5 v 8 horse10000
pirate_steve 5 v 11 scott7a

4 racks of 8US, 9US and 8UK. Bonus points for any Run Out, GB, 7 Balling or 3 Fouling achieved.


2 games of Killer (2 vs 2) also required from the players on either side. Killer scoring is 1st - 6 Pts, 2nd - 4 Pts, 3rd - 2 Pts and 4th - 1 Pt. No player can play in both Killer games.
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22:17 Wed 11 Sep 13 (BST)  [Link]  
Forget all bonas points,as thay get confussing to all.and espically in killer.Just score the games by frames played.saves alot of arguing.
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22:24 Wed 11 Sep 13 (BST)  [Link]  
Forget all bonas points,as thay get confussing to all.and espically in killer.Just score the games by frames played.saves alot of arguing.


I don't think there's going to be bonus points in killer
erigert
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22:55 Wed 11 Sep 13 (BST)  [Link]  
angry_bacon fuunky scott7a can u play one of the killers now?
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23:03 Wed 11 Sep 13 (BST)  [Link]  
angry_bacon fuunky scott7a can u play one of the killers now?
Yeah sound.
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23:07 Wed 11 Sep 13 (BST)  [Link]  
clarebye can play aswell
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