We currently have 12 clans with approx 180 players.

The number of clans is never likely to increase as the number of active players has not changed much over the last 10 seasons of the clan league.

How do we stop clans folding and re-inventing as new teams every season as it ends up with unbalanced leagues as this season has showing.

As it stands their is approx 6 new clans which will no doubt mean a number of existing clans fold. Which again will mean leagues will be unbalanced.

How do we allow new clans to enter without damaging the existing structure of the leagues as all teams should find the correct division for their clans level.

If MVP and snooker squad were not in division 2 this season there would have been a competitive league for the other teams, i am guessing they have not enjoyed playing some of the games this season as no one enjoys 15-0, 14-1, 13-2 defeats etc.

Anyone got a solution to try and stop this happening in future?

Very good point, new players that just joined division 2 and face clans like above as stated and are getting beat the 15-0,14-1,13-2 will be fed up with it and not give it another chance and quit clans. Sort of just added onto Keith's post.. but just throwing my words in.

Can't quite think of a solution that could stop it, I was going to say as MVP returned they could have been allowed straight into division 1 but still would have left other clans maybe feeling it was unfair.

Would be unfair to let any clan straight into division 1...needs to be earnt. Things should be settled for next season now and I doubt there will ever be as many big teams folding at once again.

2 seasons in a row the turnover of clans has been massive, this is likely to increase to 3 seasons in a row judging by all the new teams.

I am asking for a solution to stop it happening and so that leagues fall into a formal structure which is not happening currently.

One way would be to stop new clans entering current league and sticking with the existing 12 teams and these teams to remain in league. If they then folded we could look at taking in another team but until then allow no more in.

Allow clans to change clan names if they are reforming with the majority of another clans players and keep whatever league that previous clan was in for the new named clan is another suggestion.

I am just looking for alternatives as the current mass changing of clans every season is not helping anyone.

Can I come and live in your world?

It happens time and time again - and will happen again. Completing a season in Division 2 doesnt earn you Division 1 status. I dont advocate relegating a Division 1 team to replace them with a new superclan but certainly I would place a new superclan in Division 1 instead of say a team finishing 3rd in Division 2 simply in the interests of a fair league.

Edited at 02:34 Wed 04/01/12 (GMT)

Look at the new clans as a whole - all their players- if in runners opinion they are really good enough to join div1 let them- then the teams that bow out of div 1 wont matter as long as the quality is being replaced

same goes for div 2 if by looking at all the players on a clan a decision be made as a whole to decide if they shud be in div 2- runners decison - teams drop out let these join -runners decison

hope use get me

just a drunk rant lmao

Wish you would come and live on my planet, might get some common sense.
New clans starting in division 2 deters teams from folding and reforming. Removing that encorages teams to fold more

[B][U]Default Panel[/B][/U] - Many have been in favour of this and it will be going ahead as planned for next season.

[B][U]Completion Bonus[/B][/U] - This will be removed next season, causes to much hassle.

[B][U]Match Win Bonus[/B][/U] - Mixed reactions on this, as of yet still unsure on what to do about this.

[B][U]Individual League[/B][/U] - dgeneratio is in charge of this next season as has been said. His idea has had some very mixed reactions also. I'll leave this up to you James just now as ultimately i have put you incharge of it.

[B][U]Transfer Rule[/B][/U] - This new rule is staying like it or not. As said it will be getting tweaked. All ideas have been taken on board. Keep updated to find out more soon.

[B][U]Increase Clan Size[/B][/U] - Many people have mixed reactions on this subject. I have decided that as off next season the clan size will be increased by one, so as of season 16 the clan maximum is 16 players!

As someone pointed out earlier "Its time league runners took control of the league" well that is now what i am doing, there is always going to be people that agree and disagree with things like this but you either accept it and move on or you dont take part in the league the decision is yours!

Anything i have not commented on in the above topics please let me know.

Thank you.

[i]Edited at 02:50 Wed 04/01/12 (GMT)[/i]

It makes absolutely no difference to anybody otherwise MVP and Snooker Squad wouldnt exist. All it does is spoil the experience for new players.

Edited at 02:56 Wed 04/01/12 (GMT)

I am going to comment on how the divisions will work out next season, if the current 5 new clans do pass pre season. At this moment im working on how to do it, but there is nothing i can really do until i know who is in and who has folded and all that jazz.

Course it makes a difference to teams...they would obviously prefer to not have to do a season in the 2nd divisions so is a deterent.
MVP don't reform every season and the top 2 teams in the whole league folding plus another from the first division is a bit of a rarity.

Maybe they would prefer not to but they dont care if they do. That therefore is not a deterrent in anyones's book (or even world or planet!!)

What is a deterrent is where good experienced players destroy opponents because they have been placed into a wrong division.

How many fundamental rules can we wipe out in one day commitee in full effect again.
We had crazy eights and vikings reformed in our first season and they did kind of run away with things, didn't stop my enjoyment one bit and after a couple of games I had improved.
We got put into the first division too early because of teams folding and that didn't stop my enjoyment, took some big beatings to start with but we improved.
Last season shooters reformed...disn't run away with the league as far as i remember.
Just making problems where there aren't any...this season was an exception the captains should have told their players that.

9 points over the wolves i believe...could be wrong seems so long ago lol.

I don't see how a team that reforms or has reformed harms anyone in the league or there enjoyment of it.

Vikings to my knowledge did not reform at all, there first season was when Crazy Eights reformed, that was Vikings one and only season.

Regarding next season and how the divivions would be worked out, i have brought together an example that may help some understand what will happen. Like i said this is only and example.

Division One

Top Dogs
Unbeatables
Wolf Pack
Mouseketeers
Team Angry
Shooters

Division Two

MVP
Snooker Squad
Underdogs
Latin Legends
TPA
Top Guns

Now lets say at the end of this season that is how the final standings look within the league. Now we have lets say 6 new clans trying to gain access in to the next season (season 16).
To my knowledge two clans within division one are going to fold at end of season so lets say Top Dogs & Mouse are folding. That would leave division one with 4 clans. At the end of pre season games
all the clans including the 6 new clans are accepted into the league so taking away the two clans that have folded that leaves 16 clans. The divisions would go something like this.

Division One

Unbeatables
Wolf Pack
Team Angry
Shooters
MVP
Snooker Squad
Underdogs
Latin Legends

Division Two

TPA
Top Guns
New Clan
New Clan
New Clan
New Clan
New Clan
New Clan

Continued on next post....

Now above you can see that the divisions now have 8 teams each! MVP and Snooker Squad have been promoted due to being 1st and 2nd in division two but due to the folding of TD's and Mouseketeers the clans that finished 3rd and 4th in division two have also been moved into division one.
Underdogs & Legends have took the place of the folded clans. This way none of the new clans have to start in division one.

I hope this makes sense to people who wondered what would happen, like i said though the above is only an exapmle.

Thanks Jay

Sorry would like to say that to my knowledge so far there is looking to be 3 - 4 clans folding this season due to various reasons (unless another member of the clan steps up to run it of course). My above post was just a rough guideline.

I think if it did go something like the above though then it would be the fairest way to do things.

There was an idea of their being a division three brought into the league on the last thread im sure but i will rule that out straight away as i think the FCL has always done well with having just two divisions (Since i have been around).

i think we should make teams more fair in clans, like say players get an average from the season before (golden cue) and have a limit on how many high averaged players they can have in their team this would make teams fair all round no matter what the league there in.

I don't see the above ever being implemented into the league due to the fact league runners can not control or tell a player where they can and can not play. It is up to the player themselfs where they play.