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02:03 Wed 4 Jan 12 (GMT) [Link]
What are you adding things like individuals and snooker clan matches for?
Individuals are players own choice and can be played any time through the season and wouldn't be joined if the players didn't have time and it's a very small percentage of players who play in the snooker clans and they have obviously decided they have time for both.
15 is virtually double the amount of players needed to play games, you could do it with 8 players playing less than 3 hours each a fortnight to get both leagues complete with no defaults.
Individuals are players own choice and can be played any time through the season and wouldn't be joined if the players didn't have time and it's a very small percentage of players who play in the snooker clans and they have obviously decided they have time for both.
15 is virtually double the amount of players needed to play games, you could do it with 8 players playing less than 3 hours each a fortnight to get both leagues complete with no defaults.
02:05 Wed 4 Jan 12 (GMT) [Link]
i never added individuals, only snooker, FBL and FCL, i am only saying those in snooker clans could play up to 9 fixtures per 2 weeks those with pool only play up to 6.
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02:06 Wed 4 Jan 12 (GMT) [Link]
aint that there fault for playin in both snooker and pool clan leagues?
surely they new there would be loads of fixtures?
surely they new there would be loads of fixtures?
02:07 Wed 4 Jan 12 (GMT) [Link]
I don't see the upside to increasing the clan maximum size at all.
15 is more than enough to get games played and what not, maybe a raise to 16 and i would be thinking yeah maybe but 20 is a little bit over the top.
Its up to the players if they want that many games then let me have them, most people complain they dont get to play enough.
15 is more than enough to get games played and what not, maybe a raise to 16 and i would be thinking yeah maybe but 20 is a little bit over the top.
Its up to the players if they want that many games then let me have them, most people complain they dont get to play enough.
02:10 Wed 4 Jan 12 (GMT) [Link]
With 15 players you get 1 FCL and 1 FBL game a fortnight for the most part. That's what people who play in the league want. It only went up by 3 a season and a half ago.
Definitely no need for any more.
Up to the captains how many games you get, again you can not have read the point i am making. I am asking for the option to increase to 20 players for a clan, if team angry is happy with 15 they are welcome to stay at 15. I believe clans are playing so many games and always suffer from inactivity and deactivating that increasing numbers would help, it is only an option clans can remain at 15 if they choose.
From what i have read so far most are in favour of it so hopefully league staff think about it and make a decision.
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As most clans are now in FCL and FBL i think we should increase clan size as with all the games that need played every fortnight more players would help. It also gives more room for inactive players, players leaving, deactivating etc. I would prefer 10 reliable clans with 20 players each rather than 14 clans with 15 players each and 2 or 3 end up folding or having insufficient players to complete fixture sets so we end up with more defaults. We have had this already this season and i felt sorry for the clan involved as their was nothing they could do apart from accept a huge default against which is wrong as if game was played i doubt it would have been 15-0.
I will suggest a maximum of 20 players in a clan, note this is a maximum only and it is up to each clan how many players they choose to have in their clan.
I will suggest a maximum of 20 players in a clan, note this is a maximum only and it is up to each clan how many players they choose to have in their clan.
With 15 players you get 1 FCL and 1 FBL game a fortnight for the most part. That's what people who play in the league want. It only went up by 3 a season and a half ago.
Definitely no need for any more.
Up to the captains how many games you get, again you can not have read the point i am making. I am asking for the option to increase to 20 players for a clan, if team angry is happy with 15 they are welcome to stay at 15. I believe clans are playing so many games and always suffer from inactivity and deactivating that increasing numbers would help, it is only an option clans can remain at 15 if they choose.
From what i have read so far most are in favour of it so hopefully league staff think about it and make a decision.
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02:11 Wed 4 Jan 12 (GMT) [Link]
15 players at the moment james you will get a 1 hour FCL game and a 15 minute FBL game a fortnight from pool. If you don't want to play in the cup sure that would be your decision too.
02:12 Wed 4 Jan 12 (GMT) [Link]
15 is not enough as we have had clans this season already suffer from deactivating and inactivity and unable to complete fixtures. All i am asking is set the maximum up to 20 and let clans decide how many players they want.
bluenose1872 said:
I don't see the upside to increasing the clan maximum size at all.
15 is more than enough to get games played and what not, maybe a raise to 16 and i would be thinking yeah maybe but 20 is a little bit over the top.
Its up to the players if they want that many games then let me have them, most people complain they dont get to play enough.
15 is more than enough to get games played and what not, maybe a raise to 16 and i would be thinking yeah maybe but 20 is a little bit over the top.
Its up to the players if they want that many games then let me have them, most people complain they dont get to play enough.
15 is not enough as we have had clans this season already suffer from deactivating and inactivity and unable to complete fixtures. All i am asking is set the maximum up to 20 and let clans decide how many players they want.
02:12 Wed 4 Jan 12 (GMT) [Link]
I've just gone over the snooker teamlists and counted 36 players that play regularly in pool clans just on first sight. And those are the people that I know. That's more than 1/6 of all pool clan members. A significant figure I would say. Transfers for example affect a lot fewer players every season.
I had 11 active players this season and regularly had to give each player 4 games. So it was a lot, yes.
We can manage with the current amount, but it would make things easier with better coordination/more players.
I had 11 active players this season and regularly had to give each player 4 games. So it was a lot, yes.
We can manage with the current amount, but it would make things easier with better coordination/more players.
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02:14 Wed 4 Jan 12 (GMT) [Link]
Horse it affects the league how many your clan has because that is 5 more good players that could be playing for someone else.
Would be another change aimed at making a massive divide between the top 2 teams and the rest...there is no problem playing games with 15 as you well know.
Would be another change aimed at making a massive divide between the top 2 teams and the rest...there is no problem playing games with 15 as you well know.
02:16 Wed 4 Jan 12 (GMT) [Link]
I can't understand why increasing the maximum is such a fear, no one is saying they have to actually have that number it is just allowing some extra breathing space if clans want it.
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02:17 Wed 4 Jan 12 (GMT) [Link]
15 is not enough as we have had clans this season already suffer from deactivating and inactivity and unable to complete fixtures. All i am asking is set the maximum up to 20 and let clans decide how many players they want.
You had one team who let their squad size get down to 8 without getting replacements in..hardly an argument for increased squad sizes.
No clan that has been managed properly has had any problems completing games in recent seasons, even when it was 12.
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bluenose1872 said:
I don't see the upside to increasing the clan maximum size at all.
15 is more than enough to get games played and what not, maybe a raise to 16 and i would be thinking yeah maybe but 20 is a little bit over the top.
Its up to the players if they want that many games then let me have them, most people complain they dont get to play enough.
15 is more than enough to get games played and what not, maybe a raise to 16 and i would be thinking yeah maybe but 20 is a little bit over the top.
Its up to the players if they want that many games then let me have them, most people complain they dont get to play enough.
15 is not enough as we have had clans this season already suffer from deactivating and inactivity and unable to complete fixtures. All i am asking is set the maximum up to 20 and let clans decide how many players they want.
You had one team who let their squad size get down to 8 without getting replacements in..hardly an argument for increased squad sizes.
No clan that has been managed properly has had any problems completing games in recent seasons, even when it was 12.
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02:20 Wed 4 Jan 12 (GMT) [Link]
You can easily weaken your own league by poaching the other teams best players along the way.
If MVP and whoever is going for the title next season have 20 that's a whole first division quality clan just as their squad players.
It's un-necessary and will just make a big divide for the top few clans and weaken the rest.
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I can't understand why increasing the maximum is such a fear, no one is saying they have to actually have that number it is just allowing some extra breathing space if clans want it.
You can easily weaken your own league by poaching the other teams best players along the way.
If MVP and whoever is going for the title next season have 20 that's a whole first division quality clan just as their squad players.
It's un-necessary and will just make a big divide for the top few clans and weaken the rest.
02:21 Wed 4 Jan 12 (GMT) [Link]
That's ok. If the runners don't like this idea, there's no need to implement it.
I'm not agreeing with this whole "massive divide" talk. MVP do stand out as the best team here, but several other clan compete and regularly cause upsets.
Snooker Squad narrowly lost to MVP. Snooker Squad was beaten by Fighting Eagles. Shooters are top of div 1, yet they lost to Unbeatables, who lost to Top Dogs.
There are a whole bunch of teams that can beat other teams. Not nearly as bad as in previous seasons.
I'm not agreeing with this whole "massive divide" talk. MVP do stand out as the best team here, but several other clan compete and regularly cause upsets.
Snooker Squad narrowly lost to MVP. Snooker Squad was beaten by Fighting Eagles. Shooters are top of div 1, yet they lost to Unbeatables, who lost to Top Dogs.
There are a whole bunch of teams that can beat other teams. Not nearly as bad as in previous seasons.
02:22 Wed 4 Jan 12 (GMT) [Link]
15 is not enough as we have had clans this season already suffer from deactivating and inactivity and unable to complete fixtures. All i am asking is set the maximum up to 20 and let clans decide how many players they want.
You had one team who let their squad size get down to 8 without getting replacements in..hardly an argument for increased squad sizes.
No clan that has been managed properly has had any problems completing games in recent seasons, even when it was 12.
this leads nicely on to my second point that although the clan size may be increased. It doesnt nessecerily mean that a clan will fill every spot, which will still leave us at square one once again if players are unreliable. many teams have successfully played through a season with out all this nonsense. i can see where your all coming from but you will still have defaults regardless
ipotalot said:
horse10000 said:
bluenose1872 said:
I don't see the upside to increasing the clan maximum size at all.
15 is more than enough to get games played and what not, maybe a raise to 16 and i would be thinking yeah maybe but 20 is a little bit over the top.
Its up to the players if they want that many games then let me have them, most people complain they dont get to play enough.
15 is more than enough to get games played and what not, maybe a raise to 16 and i would be thinking yeah maybe but 20 is a little bit over the top.
Its up to the players if they want that many games then let me have them, most people complain they dont get to play enough.
15 is not enough as we have had clans this season already suffer from deactivating and inactivity and unable to complete fixtures. All i am asking is set the maximum up to 20 and let clans decide how many players they want.
You had one team who let their squad size get down to 8 without getting replacements in..hardly an argument for increased squad sizes.
No clan that has been managed properly has had any problems completing games in recent seasons, even when it was 12.
this leads nicely on to my second point that although the clan size may be increased. It doesnt nessecerily mean that a clan will fill every spot, which will still leave us at square one once again if players are unreliable. many teams have successfully played through a season with out all this nonsense. i can see where your all coming from but you will still have defaults regardless
02:24 Wed 4 Jan 12 (GMT) [Link]
Who said i would take 5 more to MVP, it is just an option. If i did take 5 more players i would have to keep them happy and give them games.
I might only take in an extra 1 or 2 (This would be up to me as captain), i would just like the option as 15 is sometimes not enough, if you have players away, someone deactivates, inactive players etc.
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Horse it affects the league how many your clan has because that is 5 more good players that could be playing for someone else.
Would be another change aimed at making a massive divide between the top 2 teams and the rest...there is no problem playing games with 15 as you well know.
Would be another change aimed at making a massive divide between the top 2 teams and the rest...there is no problem playing games with 15 as you well know.
Who said i would take 5 more to MVP, it is just an option. If i did take 5 more players i would have to keep them happy and give them games.
I might only take in an extra 1 or 2 (This would be up to me as captain), i would just like the option as 15 is sometimes not enough, if you have players away, someone deactivates, inactive players etc.
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02:24 Wed 4 Jan 12 (GMT) [Link]
Not nearly as bad at the moment seb it's been a great open league this season but the rules that are changing are in favour of the big name teams...increasing squad sizes would be another.
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02:25 Wed 4 Jan 12 (GMT) [Link]
you have players that let clans down all the time iv sign so many players this season it unreal
some clans are lucky cause there being going longer and have there mates in the team
some clans are lucky cause there being going longer and have there mates in the team
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02:28 Wed 4 Jan 12 (GMT) [Link]
Who said i would take 5 more to MVP, it is just an option. If i did take 5 more players i would have to keep them happy and give them games.
I might only take in an extra 1 or 2 (This would be up to me as captain), i would just like the option as 15 is sometimes not enough, if you have players away, someone deactivates, inactive players etc.
Simply horse you were giving underdogs as an example. Do you think they want increased clan sizes or any of the smaller clans do or is it something for the bigger clans.
As you are the one wanting it there is no need for any debate there it's obvious.
horse10000 said:
ipotalot said:
Horse it affects the league how many your clan has because that is 5 more good players that could be playing for someone else.
Would be another change aimed at making a massive divide between the top 2 teams and the rest...there is no problem playing games with 15 as you well know.
Would be another change aimed at making a massive divide between the top 2 teams and the rest...there is no problem playing games with 15 as you well know.
Who said i would take 5 more to MVP, it is just an option. If i did take 5 more players i would have to keep them happy and give them games.
I might only take in an extra 1 or 2 (This would be up to me as captain), i would just like the option as 15 is sometimes not enough, if you have players away, someone deactivates, inactive players etc.
Simply horse you were giving underdogs as an example. Do you think they want increased clan sizes or any of the smaller clans do or is it something for the bigger clans.
As you are the one wanting it there is no need for any debate there it's obvious.
02:30 Wed 4 Jan 12 (GMT) [Link]
I think pool clan league is more competitive now than it has been in a while, regardless how large a clan is the games will always be 8 v 8.
whocares8x8 said:
That's ok. If the runners don't like this idea, there's no need to implement it.
I'm not agreeing with this whole "massive divide" talk. MVP do stand out as the best team here, but several other clan compete and regularly cause upsets.
Snooker Squad narrowly lost to MVP. Snooker Squad was beaten by Fighting Eagles. Shooters are top of div 1, yet they lost to Unbeatables, who lost to Top Dogs.
There are a whole bunch of teams that can beat other teams. Not nearly as bad as in previous seasons.
I'm not agreeing with this whole "massive divide" talk. MVP do stand out as the best team here, but several other clan compete and regularly cause upsets.
Snooker Squad narrowly lost to MVP. Snooker Squad was beaten by Fighting Eagles. Shooters are top of div 1, yet they lost to Unbeatables, who lost to Top Dogs.
There are a whole bunch of teams that can beat other teams. Not nearly as bad as in previous seasons.
I think pool clan league is more competitive now than it has been in a while, regardless how large a clan is the games will always be 8 v 8.
02:31 Wed 4 Jan 12 (GMT) [Link]
so what your saying is if Snooker Squad or MVP gave the idea of increased clan sizes you would deny it straight away but if it was Underdogs you would grant it to them?
increased clan sizes has ups and downs, i think the league is fine as it is, however it won't hurt to maybe increase the squad size by 2 players?
increased clan sizes has ups and downs, i think the league is fine as it is, however it won't hurt to maybe increase the squad size by 2 players?
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