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doubted2
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22:43 Thu 8 Dec 11 (GMT)  [Link]  
dgeneratio said:
im keeping tabs on lost defaults whoever has 2 10-5 or worse defaults will get a fixture ban.

far as i know theres only 1 player who has that at the moment.



nice one dgen
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22:43 Thu 8 Dec 11 (GMT)  [Link]  
The only times that completion bonus should need league team input are when games have started and then don't get games completed for whatever reason. 8 fixtures in a set if 7 games get played and 1 goes to default there is no completion bonus unless a clan can provide extremely one sided information as to why the 8th fixture wasn't played as if subs, swaps etc are used it should have been played in the first place.

The problem arises when 7 games are played and the 8th game has started, if a player leaves a game after it has started or deactivates under current rules we cannot sub or swap a player in his place this means unless the original 2 players finish the remaining games would go to default. If there is reasonable evidence that one of the players caused the game to not be completed (examples: deactivates, inactive after game starts, leaves for a tourney) then the bonus is awarded to the other team.


I suggested before the season started that we allow on games that have started where a player leaves or deactivates that the clans involved can use subs to get games completed. If we change this rule so we can do this we can then only give completion bonuses to clans who finish all 8 games completely and we would have no reason to debate events like this. Clans would have no excuses for all games not being fully completed.

Thoughts please?
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22:44 Thu 8 Dec 11 (GMT)  [Link]  
doubted2 said:
melody said:
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to be fair is this a league discussion thread

defaults have always been reviewed from monday onwards
so i really dont know what all the squabbling is about


your supposed to be league runners and people on the default panel ,, setting an example to the league

so maybe now get this back on topic



Thanks for your concern but we were already back on topic if you read the posts above yours, have a nice day



instead of having ago maybe take the role you accepted aliitle more serious

and less the cheap jibes


No cheap jibes, I once again thank you for your concern, but as I repeat there is no longer any issues, and I re-itterate my good wishes by saying, have a nice day
dgeneratio
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22:44 Thu 8 Dec 11 (GMT)  [Link]  
same here but whats done is done. perhaps in future we need to look at the results and events page of all people in defaults (it only lasts 4-5 days but its a start) so this cannot arise again.
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22:45 Thu 8 Dec 11 (GMT)  [Link]  
horse10000 said:
I suggested before the season started that we allow on games that have started where a player leaves or deactivates that the clans involved can use subs to get games completed.

Thoughts please?
Players would leave mid-game so that a better player can sub in?
doubted2
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22:45 Thu 8 Dec 11 (GMT)  [Link]  
league discussion is an open forum

im sure i will have a good day

i also have a vested interest being a league captain with a considerable amount of experience

ty
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22:45 Thu 8 Dec 11 (GMT)  [Link]  
theukspoon said:
It wasnt causing arguments, lets face it, if it was snooker squad who was benefitting here you wouldnt have a problem, there will always be some form of loyalty to your clan and as a result being bias is a problem..

This is a good rule, you cant expect a clan who is facing a clan where their player deactivated to face punishment of no bonus points..


You can't blame Seb for wanting to look after his own clan but this looks like a very obvious case of the rules are going against us in this case so lets change them.

looks like I'm not the only person thats spotted this.
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22:46 Thu 8 Dec 11 (GMT)  [Link]  
whocares8x8 said:
horse10000 said:
I suggested before the season started that we allow on games that have started where a player leaves or deactivates that the clans involved can use subs to get games completed.

Thoughts please?
Players would leave mid-game so that a better player can sub in?


I've got to agree here from what I remember this was one of the reasons this rule was brought in.
dgeneratio
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22:47 Thu 8 Dec 11 (GMT)  [Link]  
@horse

sounds good but should the match be replayed from scratch? otherwise you could get a weak player deactivate on purpose then get a robot to get rest of the frames?

i think if this did get implemented (not by me as i won't be here next season) then it should only happen in a case of refusal/ban/deactivation.
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22:47 Thu 8 Dec 11 (GMT)  [Link]  
Can whoever sent the default info to dgen on behalf of MVP explain the reason for the misinformation?
It looks like several members voted on the basis of the (false) information MVP provided?
Saying that skiller10 was absent and then reappeared 2 hours before the deadline is just an outright lie.
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22:48 Thu 8 Dec 11 (GMT)  [Link]  
whocares8x8 said:
horse10000 said:
I suggested before the season started that we allow on games that have started where a player leaves or deactivates that the clans involved can use subs to get games completed.

Thoughts please?
Players would leave mid-game so that a better player can sub in?


Surely the better player would have been in the starting line up anyway but even if not, it is a clan game and i have stated plenty of times it shouldn't matter who plays as long as games get completed, i would have no problem if i was playing snooker and a player deactivated and it was you seb that finished the game off, i would prefer this to getting all remaining points in default. I know its a bad example as i wouldn't be getting a 'better' player as replacement but its the best i can come up with as an example just now
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doubted2 said:
league discussion is an open forum

im sure i will have a good day

i also have a vested interest being a league captain with a considerable amount of experience

ty


I am very glad to hear this and am thankful we have your opinion of discussions, not just your posting to cool situations that have already moved on
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22:49 Thu 8 Dec 11 (GMT)  [Link]  
dgeneratio said:
@horse

sounds good but should the match be replayed from scratch? otherwise you could get a weak player deactivate on purpose then get a robot to get rest of the frames?

i think if this did get implemented (not by me as i won't be here next season) then it should only happen in a case of refusal/ban/deactivation.


No would continue form where he left etc as games are played and would count
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22:50 Thu 8 Dec 11 (GMT)  [Link]  
dgeneratio said:
@horse

sounds good but should the match be replayed from scratch? otherwise you could get a weak player deactivate on purpose then get a robot to get rest of the frames?

i think if this did get implemented (not by me as i won't be here next season) then it should only happen in a case of refusal/ban/deactivation.


I think this is too open to abuse, lose a few frames, deact, new player subs in, game starts afresh, loses a few, deacts....

Vicious circle?
dgeneratio
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22:51 Thu 8 Dec 11 (GMT)  [Link]  
so say hardy for instance deactivated at 1-0 down whos to say that destiny would win 14 frames and then hardy reactivated straight after. surely it would be unfair?
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22:52 Thu 8 Dec 11 (GMT)  [Link]  
whocares8x8 said:
Can whoever sent the default info to dgen on behalf of MVP explain the reason for the misinformation?
It looks like several members voted on the basis of the (false) information MVP provided?
Saying that skiller10 was absent and then reappeared 2 hours before the deadline is just an outright lie.


Lol you will say he was active now, he disappeared for days logging in during the middle of the night we could all do that if we want to hide.
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22:53 Thu 8 Dec 11 (GMT)  [Link]  
dgeneratio said:
so say hardy for instance deactivated at 1-0 down whos to say that destiny would win 14 frames and then hardy reactivated straight after. surely it would be unfair?


If destiny is in that clan why not, he could have played in fixture as a sub anyway, only difference is he is a sub at 1-0 down
dgeneratio
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22:55 Thu 8 Dec 11 (GMT)  [Link]  
i still dont think its right, it should be played from scratch to make it fair game.
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22:56 Thu 8 Dec 11 (GMT)  [Link]  
we aren't having that rule surely, thats just borderline ruining the whole point.. letting people sub in half way through games.
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22:56 Thu 8 Dec 11 (GMT)  [Link]  
melody said:
dgeneratio said:
@horse

sounds good but should the match be replayed from scratch? otherwise you could get a weak player deactivate on purpose then get a robot to get rest of the frames?

i think if this did get implemented (not by me as i won't be here next season) then it should only happen in a case of refusal/ban/deactivation.


I think this is too open to abuse, lose a few frames, deact, new player subs in, game starts afresh, loses a few, deacts....

Vicious circle?
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