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22:27 Sun 2 Oct 11 (BST) [Link]
i know what janmb and spinner would say to that, they get punished enough by losing on the default and losing out on the bonus points.
but if people try and avoid to play i will tell them off then give them a warning on repeated offences.
on snooker this season we have had 1 team keep conceding frames and leaving the clan, they didn't know they couldn't concede frames so seb messaged them and that was that.
however snooker clan league community decided that...
also they decided that if clans keep conceding frames the unaffected clan will get half the no defaults bonus as its not their fault (ONLY if those conceded frames is one remaining and dont get played).
thoughts?
but if people try and avoid to play i will tell them off then give them a warning on repeated offences.
on snooker this season we have had 1 team keep conceding frames and leaving the clan, they didn't know they couldn't concede frames so seb messaged them and that was that.
however snooker clan league community decided that...
whocares8x8 said:
Honestly, I would give a warning first (which we'll do after the season). If it happens again, go for a 3 fixture ban (cup and league, so it's more than just one set). Then permanent.
What you suggested would mean that people could do it 5 times before getting banned completely.
First thing we'll do- at the end of the season, I'll make that list with warnings (shouldn't be too big). I want to make sure that only people who knew about the rule get on that list.
What you suggested would mean that people could do it 5 times before getting banned completely.
First thing we'll do- at the end of the season, I'll make that list with warnings (shouldn't be too big). I want to make sure that only people who knew about the rule get on that list.
whocares8x8 said:
I know, let's call it suspension to avoid confusion. By ban I mean permanent- like dellboy.
I would say- 1. warning ; 2. suspension ; 3. ban
I would say- 1. warning ; 2. suspension ; 3. ban
also they decided that if clans keep conceding frames the unaffected clan will get half the no defaults bonus as its not their fault (ONLY if those conceded frames is one remaining and dont get played).
thoughts?
22:35 Sun 2 Oct 11 (BST) [Link]
Clearly haven't read the rules then Craig, whats the point in complaining about a rule not being added when it should, if you don't read them
Everything is at the discretion of the league runners, so if they decide that they should do something different or not act at all upon a breach of rule because they deem that to be the correct course of action - that is their perogative, not yours to complain about it - how it has affected you previously or how much of a joke it is, because the real irony is such a complaint is a joke.
By all means, if you think something is wrong or you are being treated differently then inform the correct people - but remember, everytime you do, you can put stress on people who are only trying to do what is right for everyone, not what is right for you personally or them personally or any one individual.
And chaos is a subjective viewpoint, someones idea of chaos might be anothers heaven
You didn't really comment about rule enforcability, you just said you need rules - of course you do, but they need to be enforcable otherwise you can't do a single thing with regards to it
How do you know if people have conformed to such a rule? It is impossible to tell, the best you can get is one word against another - there is no objective, definitive proof to the runners, so what can they do about it?
20 seconds is in there as a guideline - to avoid "chaos" though not knowing a time limit being defined as chaos is ludicrous
Everything is at the discretion of the league runners, so if they decide that they should do something different or not act at all upon a breach of rule because they deem that to be the correct course of action - that is their perogative, not yours to complain about it - how it has affected you previously or how much of a joke it is, because the real irony is such a complaint is a joke.
By all means, if you think something is wrong or you are being treated differently then inform the correct people - but remember, everytime you do, you can put stress on people who are only trying to do what is right for everyone, not what is right for you personally or them personally or any one individual.
And chaos is a subjective viewpoint, someones idea of chaos might be anothers heaven
You didn't really comment about rule enforcability, you just said you need rules - of course you do, but they need to be enforcable otherwise you can't do a single thing with regards to it
How do you know if people have conformed to such a rule? It is impossible to tell, the best you can get is one word against another - there is no objective, definitive proof to the runners, so what can they do about it?
20 seconds is in there as a guideline - to avoid "chaos" though not knowing a time limit being defined as chaos is ludicrous
22:45 Sun 2 Oct 11 (BST) [Link]
zante whatever
im saying players need to see the rules ,,,, there is no rules posted anywhere what do you not get
nothing to do with 20 secs
Edited at 19:50 Sun 02/10/11 (BST)
im saying players need to see the rules ,,,, there is no rules posted anywhere what do you not get
nothing to do with 20 secs
Edited at 19:50 Sun 02/10/11 (BST)
22:47 Sun 2 Oct 11 (BST) [Link]
If i change it to...
All Games Must feature in these environments unless the players involved decide on something different.
- Private (Non Private as alternative)
- Friendly (Ranked as alternative)
- 20 Second Shot Time (Any Time as alternative)
then does it make everyone happy? because it only affects those playing, technically if you want a change from above you should PM them before you play and MAKE sure they agree beforehand.
All Games Must feature in these environments unless the players involved decide on something different.
- Private (Non Private as alternative)
- Friendly (Ranked as alternative)
- 20 Second Shot Time (Any Time as alternative)
then does it make everyone happy? because it only affects those playing, technically if you want a change from above you should PM them before you play and MAKE sure they agree beforehand.
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22:54 Sun 2 Oct 11 (BST) [Link]
To be honest if me and an opponent agree to play 90 seconds ranked and in a public room we will do so whether it is in the rules or not.
Not trying to rebel here just giving you a heads up and if the runners don't like it they know they only need to ask me to leave and I will politely do so.
Not trying to rebel here just giving you a heads up and if the runners don't like it they know they only need to ask me to leave and I will politely do so.
23:20 Sun 2 Oct 11 (BST) [Link]
like i keep saying I CANT POST RULES IF I DONT HAVE THEM.
jeesh
If jan or kev doesnt have them ill have to write them up myself, oh goody...
doubted2 said:
zante whatever
im saying players need to see the rules ,,,, there is no rules posted anywhere what do you not get
nothing to do with 20 secs
Edited at 19:50 Sun 02/10/11 (BST)
im saying players need to see the rules ,,,, there is no rules posted anywhere what do you not get
nothing to do with 20 secs
Edited at 19:50 Sun 02/10/11 (BST)
like i keep saying I CANT POST RULES IF I DONT HAVE THEM.
jeesh
If jan or kev doesnt have them ill have to write them up myself, oh goody...
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23:32 Sun 2 Oct 11 (BST) [Link]
http://www.dave.cordery.org.uk/clanleague/rules.php
dgen - if no one else still has them for you, the above links to an old set of the rules from a few seasons back. You can use that as a basis and just update the ones that are either new, have changed or have been removed if it helps.
dgen - if no one else still has them for you, the above links to an old set of the rules from a few seasons back. You can use that as a basis and just update the ones that are either new, have changed or have been removed if it helps.
23:40 Sun 2 Oct 11 (BST) [Link]
cheers chris thats a big help
ill start working on it tomorrow just having some playing time tonight
ill start working on it tomorrow just having some playing time tonight
13:32 Mon 3 Oct 11 (BST) [Link]
Rules are Up:
http://fclleague.yolasite.com/rules.php
cheers chris for the help, if i have missed anything, let me know
http://fclleague.yolasite.com/rules.php
cheers chris for the help, if i have missed anything, let me know
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13:47 Mon 3 Oct 11 (BST) [Link]
Wouldn't load for me then.
Found some rule changes through searching on here that jan had posted if it helps..
Rule 1.12: Two month account age requirement
ALL players must have accounts at least two months old to be eligible to take part in the league (individual league too)
Rule 1.13: Not naming current clan players before transfer window
Clans naming players that are currently playing for other clans before the transfer window opens will risk being rejected for next season (old rule, but needed emphasizing)
Defaults:
8.1 All incomplete games go to defaults, according to the established guidelines (activity, messaging ++).
8.2: There is no such thing as a forfeited game. Regardless of what anyone says or does, a game is either completed or defaulted.
8.4: Sending info for defaults to staff
Clan captains are expected to make sure all relevant info (for example private messages) are sent to joker86 or janmb no later than 24 hours after the fixture deadline. After that, the default is processed, with or without support info, and all decisions are final at that time.
Individual leagues:
10.7: All players who want to enter the individual leagues must be part of currently accepted league clans. Players who leave their clan, deactivate, or or get banned are out of the individual leagues for the rest of the season.
Found some rule changes through searching on here that jan had posted if it helps..
Rule 1.12: Two month account age requirement
ALL players must have accounts at least two months old to be eligible to take part in the league (individual league too)
Rule 1.13: Not naming current clan players before transfer window
Clans naming players that are currently playing for other clans before the transfer window opens will risk being rejected for next season (old rule, but needed emphasizing)
Defaults:
8.1 All incomplete games go to defaults, according to the established guidelines (activity, messaging ++).
8.2: There is no such thing as a forfeited game. Regardless of what anyone says or does, a game is either completed or defaulted.
8.4: Sending info for defaults to staff
Clan captains are expected to make sure all relevant info (for example private messages) are sent to joker86 or janmb no later than 24 hours after the fixture deadline. After that, the default is processed, with or without support info, and all decisions are final at that time.
Individual leagues:
10.7: All players who want to enter the individual leagues must be part of currently accepted league clans. Players who leave their clan, deactivate, or or get banned are out of the individual leagues for the rest of the season.
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13:48 Mon 3 Oct 11 (BST) [Link]
10.8: Withdrawals
Any players who withdraw from the league (voluntarily or get banned) have all their registered games removed.Please make sure to inform league staff when a player has to withdraw.
10.9: Players entering during a season
No players are accepted for the individual leagues after the season has started.
1.12 Player account requirements
Players joining the league between seasons must have accounts that are at least 1 month old by the time the season starts. Players joining the league in the middle of a season must have accounts at least 2 months old. League hosts may use discretion and make exceptions to this as they see fit.
4.3 Match completion bonus
Each team receives a bonus of 5 points for any fixture that gets completed without defaults.
8.9.1 Number of points awarded
A default game will always grant a total of 15 points. The single exception is when the players are equal, in which case a 7-7 result will be used.
Any players who withdraw from the league (voluntarily or get banned) have all their registered games removed.Please make sure to inform league staff when a player has to withdraw.
10.9: Players entering during a season
No players are accepted for the individual leagues after the season has started.
1.12 Player account requirements
Players joining the league between seasons must have accounts that are at least 1 month old by the time the season starts. Players joining the league in the middle of a season must have accounts at least 2 months old. League hosts may use discretion and make exceptions to this as they see fit.
4.3 Match completion bonus
Each team receives a bonus of 5 points for any fixture that gets completed without defaults.
8.9.1 Number of points awarded
A default game will always grant a total of 15 points. The single exception is when the players are equal, in which case a 7-7 result will be used.
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13:49 Mon 3 Oct 11 (BST) [Link]
Then a few from last season
5.5 Required approval
Old - Substitutions are not subject to approval by anyone.
New - Substitutions are subject to approval by the league runners.
5.6 Substituted players' eligibility
Old - A player who has been substituted is ineligible to play in any other game of that fixture. This does not apply to other league and cup fixtures being played at the same time. A substitution is considered official from the moment the captain has posted it in the substitution thread.
New - A player who has been substituted is ineligible to play in any other game of that fixture. This does not apply to other league and cup fixtures being played at the same time. A substitution is considered official from the moment the captain has posted it in the substitution thread.
5.7 Swapping two players
Old - As a means to combat time zone problems and the like, captains may swap two players within a match if this improves chances of games getting played. This may be done only once per match and does not count towards the maximum number of subs allowed.
New - As a means to combat time zone problems and the like, captains may swap two players within a match if this improves chances of games getting played. This does not count towards the maximum number of subs allowed. These are subject to approval by the league runners.
5.5 Required approval
Old - Substitutions are not subject to approval by anyone.
New - Substitutions are subject to approval by the league runners.
5.6 Substituted players' eligibility
Old - A player who has been substituted is ineligible to play in any other game of that fixture. This does not apply to other league and cup fixtures being played at the same time. A substitution is considered official from the moment the captain has posted it in the substitution thread.
New - A player who has been substituted is ineligible to play in any other game of that fixture. This does not apply to other league and cup fixtures being played at the same time. A substitution is considered official from the moment the captain has posted it in the substitution thread.
5.7 Swapping two players
Old - As a means to combat time zone problems and the like, captains may swap two players within a match if this improves chances of games getting played. This may be done only once per match and does not count towards the maximum number of subs allowed.
New - As a means to combat time zone problems and the like, captains may swap two players within a match if this improves chances of games getting played. This does not count towards the maximum number of subs allowed. These are subject to approval by the league runners.
13:50 Mon 3 Oct 11 (BST) [Link]
i changed all that (except the approval part)
i can change that to
Subs are not required to approval by anyone but league runners may step in and cancel any subs they see fit if the system is being abused.
i can change that to
Subs are not required to approval by anyone but league runners may step in and cancel any subs they see fit if the system is being abused.
14:04 Mon 3 Oct 11 (BST) [Link]
^ yeah do that.
That should be changed. If it's being played at the time, let them finish. We want to avoid as many defaults as possible.
Rule 3.3 is already covered by Rule 3.2, so you can delete that.
I don't know what this one means.
Default Guidelines (8.9.2 and 8.9.3): Messaging should be at least as important as log-in times.
Edited at 11:11 Mon 03/10/11 (BST)
rules said:
2.3 Games in progress at the time of the deadline
A game being played when the deadline for the fixture is reached is stopped and considered a partially played game (see Section 7).
A game being played when the deadline for the fixture is reached is stopped and considered a partially played game (see Section 7).
Rule 3.3 is already covered by Rule 3.2, so you can delete that.
rules said:
5.3 Substitution limits
The number of substitutions permitted per fixture is defined by the maximum clan size, i.e. 4.
The number of substitutions permitted per fixture is defined by the maximum clan size, i.e. 4.
Default Guidelines (8.9.2 and 8.9.3): Messaging should be at least as important as log-in times.
Edited at 11:11 Mon 03/10/11 (BST)
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14:08 Mon 3 Oct 11 (BST) [Link]
Reckon the new bonus points 10 for no defaults 10 for a win should stop a lot of defaults. Hopefully they will be rare this season.
14:11 Mon 3 Oct 11 (BST) [Link]
3.3 deleted
5.3 changed to...
5.3 Substitution limit
There are no limit on substitutions in any fixture
2.3 changed to...
2.3 Games in progress at the time of the deadline
Any Game which is currently being played or been arranged around the midnight deadline MUST inform the league runners by offline message or by post on Clan League News Thread so they can keep that game.
8.9.2 changed to...
8.9.2 Logins
Log Ins will be just as important as Rule 8.9.3, browsing times will not count as much however.
5.3 changed to...
5.3 Substitution limit
There are no limit on substitutions in any fixture
2.3 changed to...
2.3 Games in progress at the time of the deadline
Any Game which is currently being played or been arranged around the midnight deadline MUST inform the league runners by offline message or by post on Clan League News Thread so they can keep that game.
8.9.2 changed to...
8.9.2 Logins
Log Ins will be just as important as Rule 8.9.3, browsing times will not count as much however.
14:14 Mon 3 Oct 11 (BST) [Link]
lol, make sure other people agree with this. Those were just my opinions.
14:15 Mon 3 Oct 11 (BST) [Link]
you were right though and me and kev did this for couple of seasons.
14:29 Mon 3 Oct 11 (BST) [Link]
hope so, this now means no defaults is just as important as winning.
ipotalot said:
Reckon the new bonus points 10 for no defaults 10 for a win should stop a lot of defaults. Hopefully they will be rare this season.
hope so, this now means no defaults is just as important as winning.
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