14 seasons without arguments and debates about the time limit, so a few people break the rules by changing the clock now and then, does it really matter aslong as both players are happy and the games get played, I say leave it at 20 seconds and if 2 players agree otherwise thats fine aslong as the games get played. I really don't think we need a rule change.

But isn't what you've just said a rule change lol.

Just for clarification:
Current rule (I think): "The time limit for clan games is 20 secs."
I would like to add 4 words:
"The time limit for clan games is 20 secs, unless players agree otherwise."

Didn't think this would mess up the big system that much to be honest.Turns it from a rule that is routinely broken into one that isn't.

Edited at 04:35 Sun 02/10/11 (BST)

yeh go with that

Edited at 04:51 Sun 02/10/11 (BST)

you can only change rules when people can see the rules

this is a discussion page thats fine, but when you discuss a rule change it would need to be agreed by all not one or 2 people

and zante says if rules are not enforceable why have them ??

well last season rules were breached right left and centre and league runners ignored them ,,, but without rules in any walk of life you have CHAOS

i believe you need strong leadership and direction in this league.

the addition of 4 words means nothing really it just seems to be a petty arguement,

the truth of the matter is you cant change rules until rules exisit and the rules need to be sorted asap before any matches take place and clear guidance given.

again people were in flagrant breach of rules last season and no action taken, post the rules then have discussions regard making the FCL better and more enjoyable for all not just just to suite a few

as ive said there are new players new teams, the last thing to be honest these players want to know is about a time clock

i have to agree with craig there

Slow down Craig before you give yourself a hernia ...

I say leave the clock as it has been for many seasons...

Regarding posting of rules... they will be put on the site in due course and Clan Captains should know the rules (from their season's experience) and pass on this on to new members.From my own experience many new members dont even check the league website as Captains fail to promote it on the clan threads.

i cant put them up if i don't have them craig.

asked jan if he has them, hoping to have activity logs by next season also.

I thought last season was pretty successful, bit of rubbish about naming and shaming but apart from that a lot of pluses.
All teams made it through the season despite 2 having their captains deactivate, not many defaults at all lot of new faces getting into clans and enjoying it enough to stick at it.
Don't see the need for any changes now just hope that the clans that have formed this season stay because then we could get the best teams and players into division one giving division 2 teams chance to progress together and hopefully get 3 divisions soon which would get more people that don't get chances in clans involved, having somewhere to start.

3 divisions would be cool in time, possibly if we have around 15 clans then it could work but with clans dropping out i dunno.

not major changes really, just some rewording

Yeah ideally you would want 18 before doing that hopefully after this season we will be getting there...optimist
Would have another affect that if teams had to start from the 3rd division would stop so many folding too.

so far for next season -

bonus points will be changed from 20 for win, 10 draw, 5 no defaults to 10 win, 10 no defaults, 5 for draw.

Golden Cue will be frames %

cup will be 2 weeks with a fixture set break for defaults, final fixture will be 3 weeks as its most important fixture.

naming can be done with written permission from captain (if accidentally named just give them a talking too then a warning if they do it the 2nd time) then fully named at end of season

ab_rfc's idea about why they was defaults to make captains aware which players aren't pulling their weight

Defaults Team -

2 days for messages as not everyone can be on the next day following the deadline

If 2 teams dont deserve a 7-7 (no effort both no activity etc) then defaults team doesn't have to use the full 15 points.

^ so far, if i have missed anything let me know

true hopefully that would be a plus, generally folding would be a captain deactivating or over half players leaving/not pulling weight.

What happened with the trial of letting subbed out players back into other games in the same fixture?

thats still there as had no problems or issues with it

So who has access to the old rules. Is it just kev (old website)? Surely kenny would have an old version stored away somewhere?

kev yeah.

kenny hasn't anymore, hoping jan has, if not ill send kev a message.

dextr im sorry i dont want to have myself a hernia thanks and would ask you refrain from personal remarks

rules have been changed many times, i have played in clans for many seasons nd im sorry i have an understanding of the rules , however until i view them it would only be an oppinion
that isnt good enough sorry

and as your a league runner i would expect you yourself to set an example and not maker personal comments ty

Lighten up craig it's not the world cup

you dont need to tell me to lighten up , back to topic

On the defaults issue someone (possibly Ab but not sure) did suggest teams getting minus points in extreme cases where absolutely no effort was made to get the match played or make a sub. I can't remember what reaction this idea got but I agreed as it will stop teams from not caring about the fixture once they got to the magic 60 points and secured the win.

Thoughts?