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_k1rk_
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20:52 Wed 31 Aug 11 (BST)  [Link]  
Good idea, jesus jayy what's wrong with you today
dgeneratio
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20:54 Wed 31 Aug 11 (BST)  [Link]  
must have gotten out of bed the right side this morning

get it

another idea i didn't post this captain releasing from clans thing.

should it be kept how it was or put a transfer window in like snooker?
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20:57 Wed 31 Aug 11 (BST)  [Link]  
Another idea dgen gets a 50p fine everytime he mentions snooker then after a month we can get bill gates employed to make us a website
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21:01 Wed 31 Aug 11 (BST)  [Link]  
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21:03 Wed 31 Aug 11 (BST)  [Link]  
dgeneratio said:
ah so for example:

Clan 1 vs Clan 2

say 1 default by the wednesday

then announce what they was on the sunday along with new fixtures

so would mean a 4 day break between fixtures?

not a bad idea


Aye thats correct

_k1rk_ said:
Good idea, jesus jayy what's wrong with you today


Honestly dont know lol
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21:37 Wed 31 Aug 11 (BST)  [Link]  
Idea for you how about making some rules for the fixtures

Example...
-If a player doesn't respond to a personal message 3 days after it is made despite being online a sub must be made

-If a player is offline for 5 days or more at any point in the fixture without first informing their opponent/opponent's captain a sub must be made

-If a player is offline for 3 days or more in the 2nd week of the fixture without first informing their opponent/opponent's captain a sub must be made

-If there is evidence that a player has refused to arrange a game or ignored an opponent trying to play the game a sub must be made.

Think they're all reasonable, with squad sizes at 15 you have 7 eligible players to choose from, subs are always available.
Players subbed out can sub back into any game now so no punishment for genuine absences just gives consideration to your opponents which is totally missing at the moment.
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21:41 Wed 31 Aug 11 (BST)  [Link]  
-If a player doesn't respond to a personal message 3 days after it is made despite being online a sub must be made

Can't prove it, not really enforcable

-If there is evidence that a player has refused to arrange a game or ignored an opponent trying to play the game a sub must be made.

Sometimes a player can be busy and can't organise there and then, or have other problems which can't always be there fault, and in individuals league, players get 3 chances of refusal
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21:42 Wed 31 Aug 11 (BST)  [Link]  
i think its a bit OTT, they get punished at defaults anyway and should be up to the captains to make the right choice in these circumstances.

imo forcing people to sub will just drive people away.
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21:54 Wed 31 Aug 11 (BST)  [Link]  
dgeneratio said:
ah so for example:

Clan 1 vs Clan 2

say 1 default by the wednesday

then announce what they was on the sunday along with new fixtures

so would mean a 4 day break between fixtures?

not a bad idea


Correct me if im wrong but would this mean fixtures would then get released every 3 weeks, meaning the season would be up to 5 weeks longer, do you not think thats a bit much just for an extra 3 days to complete games.
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21:56 Wed 31 Aug 11 (BST)  [Link]  
when you put it like that it does seem longer.

how you think we should deal with defaults ab?
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22:06 Wed 31 Aug 11 (BST)  [Link]  
Whats wrong with the season taking longer though? Didnt know we was in a rush to complete the seasons
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22:18 Wed 31 Aug 11 (BST)  [Link]  
dgeneratio said:
i think its a bit OTT, they get punished at defaults anyway and should be up to the captains to make the right choice in these circumstances.

imo forcing people to sub will just drive people away.


Isn't the idea to have no defaults?
Captains priorities are their clans results not getting games played so leaving things up to them with no rules doesn't work.
None of the rules are unreasonable at all or uninforceable.
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22:20 Wed 31 Aug 11 (BST)  [Link]  
yeah we aim for no defaults but i still think forcing a captain to sub will destroy the league in the long run.

might be wrong but its just my view.
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22:23 Wed 31 Aug 11 (BST)  [Link]  
ipotalot said:
dgeneratio said:
i think its a bit OTT, they get punished at defaults anyway and should be up to the captains to make the right choice in these circumstances.

imo forcing people to sub will just drive people away.


Isn't the idea to have no defaults?
Captains priorities are their clans results not getting games played so leaving things up to them with no rules doesn't work.
None of the rules are unreasonable at all or uninforceable.

-If a player doesn't respond to a personal message 3 days after it is made despite being online a sub must be made

Can't prove it, not really enforcable


Only the players who the messages are between, can see it - and there may be more than one message across which trying to sort the game out is spread - it could easily be controlled so that a player who has replied in a different message, didn't reply at all

And how long do you give captains to make a sub? best to just let captains deal with it there own way - otherwise they could end up punished twice for the same thing
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22:44 Wed 31 Aug 11 (BST)  [Link]  
If it was in the rules people would respond to the message on the same message page and a player would then only have to take a screenshot as proof.

Players can be subbed back into any games in the same fixture now so nobody gets punished for anything.

Thing is half the captains abide by these rules out of decency to the other teams and half the captains only concern is the win and getting their best players to play even if that means waiting for the last couple of hours to sub in some cases then expecting the other team to sub out someone who has been trying to get the game done for 13 days.
rubber_duck
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22:47 Wed 31 Aug 11 (BST)  [Link]  
Screenshots can be manipulated easily.
zantetsukenz
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22:50 Wed 31 Aug 11 (BST)  [Link]  
No they wouldn't, nothing in the rules about having to do it

So, by those rules, a captain could be forced into subbing someone who has been offline for 7 days into a game, for someone who can't get online for a few days (so can't say when they will be back)

I can't really see anything like that, most captains seem to try and get games played, but people from the outside can't see everything thats going on, on the inside - so just view things one-sidedly and unfairly and are only concerned with getting their own game played - inside of trying to get all the fixtures played
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23:04 Wed 31 Aug 11 (BST)  [Link]  
zantetsukenz said:
No they wouldn't, nothing in the rules about having to do it

So, by those rules, a captain could be forced into subbing someone who has been offline for 7 days into a game, for someone who can't get online for a few days (so can't say when they will be back)

I can't really see anything like that, most captains seem to try and get games played, but people from the outside can't see everything thats going on, on the inside - so just view things one-sidedly and unfairly and are only concerned with getting their own game played - inside of trying to get all the fixtures played


Eh? You have clans of 15 for a reason.
The rules i put up were an example of what I think are reasonable flip the coin for a second Zant and say your player comes to you with
......hasn't responded to my messages but he's been on loads since and it's been 3 days or
..........been offline for 3 days and only 4 to play or
..........been offline for 5 days or
tried playing.......tonight and he refused to play or even talk to me about the game.

Sure you would expect a sub in all those scenarios but like I said those were just suggestions off the top of my head could make it so if those rules weren't met the captains have a day or 2 to sort some response out from their player else a sub had to be made.
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23:07 Wed 31 Aug 11 (BST)  [Link]  
rubber_duck said:
Screenshots can be manipulated easily.


Fair point jay but can't see anyone going to the trouble of doing that especially when they would be caught out by the opponent and we do trust people enough when messages are sent for defaults but yeah it is a valid point
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23:12 Wed 31 Aug 11 (BST)  [Link]  
yeah but it can be done, like recently i saw a "real pm" screenshot and one which was modified and i could tell the difference straight away, obviously most wouldn't go these lengths but the odd people may do and if they are found with a modified screenshot i will treat it as a warning then a fixture ban and that evidence is scrapped.

recently doesn't mean today by the way most of time it is easy to spot a modified screenshot.

if person who i saw recently sees this at the time i realise you only did it to show me if i saw difference between fake and real
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