Yes zante I'm fully aware that rules can be changed, twisted and altered at any time. I don't need your wise comments to remind me of that. I've seen it happen every season to jog my memory enough.
Doesn't mean it still doesn't do my head in though.

Thanks dgen.

Why should captains have to get their swaps ok'd by the other team? You don't have to get your subs ok'd
Tozzie was online posting on both threads that he was online to play and zeus didn't turn up so the wolf pack did a swap with online players to get the game played.
Nothing wrong with that whatsoever except your player lost blueberry.

Why should captains have to get their swaps ok'd by the other team?

Ask kev that, he was one that told me..

Did you ask the other captains opinion when you did this one then blueberry?...doubt it severely

Lee this is a thread for discussing fcl topics, next time you try to be smart at least try and stay on topic.. Thats fbl lol, totally different league. Not even a fcl fixture swap.

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Skimming through all that (might've missed something) but it looks like subs could be made without consent from captains for a few years now, which also included fixture swaps, which were removed about a year ago, then put back in 3 months later and just before the last amendment, it WAS discussed, not just put in by the runners like Colin said

Also, there is nothing suggesting that both captains need to approve of it, all's i can remember is that when there were two players with time zone isssues, it got discussed between captains and agreed, but incase one captain isn't on it wouldn't have to be approved by both

Nice try lol you aren't captain for FCL and I wanted to use you as an example, sure I could dig up plenty of swaps craigs done over the past seasons with no discussion from the opposing captain.

shooters v mooseketeeers
is

greyhound v potlimit
fleetwood v its_me

was

greyhound v its_me
fleetwood v potlimit

agreed with dgen

22days ago.. I'm vice captain of fcl so can post subs as much as craig can.

The example means nothing when its a different league..

Also correct me if I'm wrong, does your example not refer to two different subs in totally different fixtures and not a fixture swap at all ?

I don't think league runners or opposing captains should need to approve it, as they may not always be online - which could be costly if it is right at the end of a fixture and a swap can't be made because of a lack of a runner/captain

I DO think, however, that the opposing captain should have the right to some sort of questioning of the swap (as long as the game hasn't been played) where the league runner could agree the swap isn't in the best interest of completing the games and could have it undone

But if you think about it, if captains need the approval of another captain to make a fixture swap, and one captain refuses to make the swap (which you could say they are within their rights to) if the game went to default, shouldn't that go against them as they are preventing a game from being played

Yep bound to get one wrong once...law of averages

Sure as you looked through to find that you saw everyone does swaps and nobody gets agreement off the opposing captain, haven'y for 2 seasons at least.
You haven't answered the point that how are swaps supposed to get fixtures played if they need agreement from captains?
2 players are online that can play and you're saying a captain can make a sub to get a game played but can't do a swap?!
It makes no sense whatsoever.

well i think myself youve got to pose this question

with all these changes there is one thing for sure, there is to many interpretations, nobody seems to know 100%

more importantly then, apart from picking a team what is a captain for

i pose a scenario

the opposing captain can make a sub and switch a fixture without the opposing capt or vice not been made aware

total tosh

it seems to me rules are made to be bent to suit

more importantly why have rules, no one enforces them, and there bent to suit everyone anyway

Lee me and Craig are always online often enough to be asked about subs or swaps. I was online last night, so was toluca and dext... not once was it mentioned till me until I went offline after 2am and then it was posted.

If we aren't going to be there we post our permission on the thread or tell opposing captain they can fixture swap in our absence if need be.

I agree to a point with what you're saying all I'm annoyed about is that the rule was told to me by key that both parties approval were required.... I've always done this, rule change wasn't discussed by league runners as regards both captains approval. dgen can confirm this.

What would you have said if you had been asked...honestly?
It's getting a game played with the guys you've picked against the guys they've picked why would you say no?
It wasn't a tactical move like a lot of subs are it's a genuine 2 people are online let's get a game played scenario.

I'd have said no, tozzie has waited for hours even though he doesn't have to. There is a week left of fixture and my team mate involved in the swap may have already arranged to play toluca. If we need to swap nearer the end we will.

That would have been my reply..

think you miss the point there is no arguement here

what is your point apart from saying wrong wrong wrong

what is it your actually saying, it has nothing to do with your team, it would appear your just posting for the sake of it with nothing positive comming from it just wrong wrong

like i must be thick and stupid but i dont get your point at all apart from causing friction with blueberry

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i have posted a scenario about whats wrong with the rule nd you just come with nothing really

are you dextr how do you know, i colin the world except dextr know whether it was tactical, dont suggest somthing you dont no the answer to

thats like saying dont walk infront of train hindsight is great but unfortunalty the train still ran some one over, if you get my drift

how about what are we going to do about these loopholes nd clarification

i actually think zante is talking the most sense here. zante is posting a view from both parties and not just arguing if the approve captains is legal or not.

an couple of ideas here:

1) limit the swap to 2nd week only what doesnt need to be approved by anyone

2) do number 1 but any swaps made in the first week must be approved by clan captains or league runners

3) do what was suggested and have a limit of 3 swaps per fixture where it doesn't need to be approved.

dont disagree dgen

but i believe all clan related issues must come through captains or vice

same with other items, this needs debating before the new season starts

nd lets not forget somthing what yo guys do is much appreciated and the time you put in

however we need to be clear about rule breach , blatant rule breach and enforcement if rules are broken

points loss , expulsion.

Can see the confusion in the rules with the word 'captains' it should either say 'the captain' or 'both captains' so that needs sorting but my opinion on it is you shouldn't have to ask permission to do a swap as you dont have to for a sub.
The new rule kind of makes it moot too because you can now sub anyone back into any games so if you want to do a swap you can sub both your players out and straight back into the alternate games.