New 8 Ball Game - Arcade Version

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13:51 Tue 3 May 11 (BST)  [Link]  
eemad said:
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You can't possibly argue that the level of skill is anything like the other disciplines obviously giant pockets make things easier


Makes it easier to pot, makes position harder though, you're clearly missing that point.

3 tournaments out of 25 (as it is a 25 hour rotation system) isn't a lot if you think about it.

And now I look over 19,000 games played already. That's some going that!


9 ball arcade is being introduced as well that's 6/24 tournaments a day that I and many others won't have any interest in playing. Lots of people on here only play tournaments and some of the best battles are for tournapoints day/week/month wins.

Have seen these loads of times come down to the wire with 2/3 players battling in different tournaments and micros up to midnight, including these arcade games in the schedule ruins that or you are FORCED to play arcade games to compete.
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14:01 Tue 3 May 11 (BST)  [Link]  
ipotalot said:
eemad said:
ipotalot said:
You can't possibly argue that the level of skill is anything like the other disciplines obviously giant pockets make things easier


Makes it easier to pot, makes position harder though, you're clearly missing that point.

3 tournaments out of 25 (as it is a 25 hour rotation system) isn't a lot if you think about it.

And now I look over 19,000 games played already. That's some going that!


9 ball arcade is being introduced as well that's 6/24 tournaments a day that I and many others won't have any interest in playing. Lots of people on here only play tournaments and some of the best battles are for tournapoints day/week/month wins.

Have seen these loads of times come down to the wire with 2/3 players battling in different tournaments and micros up to midnight, including these arcade games in the schedule ruins that or you are FORCED to play arcade games to compete.


agree agree agree, please nick :D
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14:16 Tue 3 May 11 (BST)  [Link]  
3 Tournys out of 25 isn't a lot is wrong. When you consider Some were taken out for Random, which werent a lot a the time. Im not saying dont have them, Im just saying maybe times could be re-thought eg. take out a couple of sets of micros and replace with arcade or something.

These ideas were introduced to get more people playing tournys. I just know now i will be playing at least three less.

And on the skill side of things, on the other game times you have to concentrate so hard on both potting AND positioning where as in arcade, you dont even have to look at the pot, just the positioning so lets be honest peeps, it is all a huge bit of luck who can gets in first, the person who breaks or the next shot.
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15:04 Tue 3 May 11 (BST)  [Link]  
onevisit said:
it is all a huge bit of luck who can gets in first, the person who breaks or the next shot.


I really think there is a more to it than that - look at onua0767's record, he's managed an 80% win ratio compared to 81% in 8 ball.

Regarding tournaments the schedule does need altering, but I see no reason not to have 8 ball arcades having their share dependent on usage numbers.
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15:12 Tue 3 May 11 (BST)  [Link]  
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I read a previous post from you nick and you said you were looking into getting more people on the site. I think doubles would radically do that. I gather from the years i have been around that this is like the major goal for the site but if your looking for more players as great as these games are which they are imo doubles will greatly help to reach your target.
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15:19 Tue 3 May 11 (BST)  [Link]  
nick said:
A new arcade version of 8 ball is here!

This game is aimed at:
1) People on limited size screens (tablets, netbooks, etc)
2) A more fun game to attract new users
3) Those who just enjoy potting!


That seems to have gone out the window very quickly as do the comments about longevity and keeping existing users happy. Some very good reasons as to why these shouldn't be in the tournament schedule have been given and totally brushed aside!
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15:30 Tue 3 May 11 (BST)  [Link]  
Personally, I enjoy playing this game mode. Yes you may foul alot more, but that is the fun of the game. It is mainly about entertainment and enjoying playing the game, it's a great game to keep you occupied when being bored.

EDIT: And I don't see why it shouldn't have a tournament every 24/25 Hours, it adds a new tournament for a wider variety.
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15:54 Tue 3 May 11 (BST)  [Link]  
ipotalot said:
That seems to have gone out the window very quickly as do the comments about longevity and keeping existing users happy. Some very good reasons as to why these shouldn't be in the tournament schedule have been given and totally brushed aside!


The new games were not to address longevity, but to attract new users. There's nothing contradictory in what I've said, as far as I can see, the only opinion I've changed is that the game has more to it than I initially thought.
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15:56 Tue 3 May 11 (BST)  [Link]  
As of today 8 ball arcade is now the most popular (despite having less tournaments) and surprisingly it's share seems to be increasing!
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16:01 Tue 3 May 11 (BST)  [Link]  
nick said:
As of today 8 ball arcade is now the most popular (despite having less tournaments) and surprisingly it's share seems to be increasing!


Now that's your cue to introduce 9ball arcade right now
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16:01 Tue 3 May 11 (BST)  [Link]  
Will arcade tournaments be added to the overall amount of tournaments won, or not?

Because currently they aren't...
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16:01 Tue 3 May 11 (BST)  [Link]  
ub3rnator said:
nick said:
As of today 8 ball arcade is now the most popular (despite having less tournaments) and surprisingly it's share seems to be increasing!


Now that's your cue to introduce 9ball arcade right now


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16:17 Tue 3 May 11 (BST)  [Link]  
kev04 said:
Will arcade tournaments be added to the overall amount of tournaments won, or not?

Because currently they aren't...

from what ive heard they wont
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17:15 Tue 3 May 11 (BST)  [Link]  
Nick my point isn't trying to detract from arcade and its merits. Granted it is the most popular game at the moment, this is because it is the easiest. Anyone can win and I understand this is a good thing for the majority of folk on the site as everyone does like to win.

My point is simply that I prefer the skill side of the site. Most new ideas are designed specifically to make everything easier unlike snooker where power is a fantastic addition and not dumbing down the games for lesser players.

Arcade has its place in funky but could the tourny schedule not be changed to half hourly. This would certainly add to the tourny points idea as there would be much more up for grabs and would also solve the problem of the possibility of waiting two hours for a tourny (as i say i have no interest in arcade) for me and any others like me, and stop me possibly deciding to something else in stead of funky.
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18:29 Tue 3 May 11 (BST)  [Link]  
onevisit said:

Arcade has its place in funky but could the tourny schedule not be changed to half hourly. This would certainly add to the tourny points idea as there would be much more up for grabs and would also solve the problem of the possibility of waiting two hours for a tourny (as i say i have no interest in arcade) for me and any others like me, and stop me possibly deciding to something else in stead of funky.


I've read all the posts so far having in mind to post a suggestion just like that, and here it goes right before I was about to post it :)

Make the tournaments go every hour and half an hour, so you'd have double the space you have now ( a bit less though, considering there are a few friendly tournies ). Once the 9 ball arcade is in, that's the only possible solution to have them all running, and I personally don't want to see, for example, 9 ball marathon and/or 8 ball speed kicked out of the schedule.

So if there's too much space when you change to half an hour schedule, bring in the 8 and 9 ball arcade marathon ( which is IMO more important than speed ones ) and maybe if there's still some space, add speed versions.

That's what I'd like to see implemented :)

And God, why aren't the tournie wins in arcade counting? It's a tournie just like any other, plus it begins at xx:00 just like any other ranked tournies. Should be counted in.
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18:32 Tue 3 May 11 (BST)  [Link]  
Or even better. There's regular tournies, those of main game types, starting at .00, there are micros, starting at .22,24,26, so make the arcade tournaments at .30 :)
You'll have at least 6 tournament possibilities once 9 ball arcade is brought in, considering there's 8/9 ball regular speed and marathon. So it's 4 times 6 =24 :)
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18:41 Tue 3 May 11 (BST)  [Link]  
I don't think it's the most popular it's just new and people are trying to get their rankings up.
It is a massive contradiction to the way it was put out to people! Now saying it has just as much worth as the other massively more skillful disciplines.
Whats the point of attracting people if you can't get them to stay? What keeps us coming back is challenges and after you've got to the stage of winning tournaments the next one is trying to get the tournapoints medals.
The names on the lists of winners show that only the best have been able to get them and competition is fierce with people playing tournament after tournament all that will be devalued and ruined by pushing these arcade versions into the schedule that lots of people just don't want to play.
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19:38 Tue 3 May 11 (BST)  [Link]  
I want to play it and I'm also good. Not one of the best, but really good at times. And I'm not the only one. And even though you may not think of it that way, statistics are what everything is based on, every business and every decision. And this is a business to Nick.
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20:01 Tue 3 May 11 (BST)  [Link]  
cajanka said:
I want to play it and I'm also good. Not one of the best, but really good at times. And I'm not the only one. And even though you may not think of it that way, statistics are what everything is based on, every business and every decision. And this is a business to Nick.


Play it till you drop I don't care just don't ruin the brilliant competitions we have with tournapoints for all the people that don't want to play it!
Can't see why arcade can't be played at half past the hour like friendly tournaments are.
You never heard the saying 'There are lies, damn lies and statistics?'
basically in this case the games much faster than the other types, brand new, people are wanting to get ranks up (8,000 of the 19,000 games that keeps getting quoted were played by just 50 people doing just that) so obviously it's going to have been played more in it's first week!
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20:08 Tue 3 May 11 (BST)  [Link]  
Or just cuz it's funny and interesting? If you'd play it only to gain some rank, that's your mentality, not of the rest of the community.

And screw that saying. Statistics is mathematics and mathematics is everything.
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