You haven't answered any of these points raised.

What's the point in having these friendlies at all if you haven't got the guts to make a big decision.

12/16 games is ridiculously lenient 11/16 just makes a mockery of every other teams efforts!

Pool Sharks got refused entry into FCL last season with 12/16 and adding 1 part game of straight to try and make it look better is unbelievable.

if the 2 teams that finished with 11/16 games were the underdogs and top guns they would have never got in

Why have you moved the goal posts and allowed teams in that didn't make enough effort to complete games that 6 active players out of 15 could manage?!

You've just said you used shooters reliability from previous seasons that has absolutely no bearing whatsoever because peoples circumstances change, commitment changes and all teams should be treated the same whether they are new or been around for ages.

All they had to do to get 12/16 done was use their swap doubted2 play kermit and job done.

The whole of FCL and FBL leagues 'criteria' has always been the amount of games managed in the pre-season reliability friendlies before.

Simple fact is not one of you can argue 11/16 games is enough

[QUOTE=dextr]FBL Pre Season

Results of games played and decisions that have been made on entrants and Division Placings are Final.

Team Angry (15)
Fighting Eagles (15)
Wolf Pack (15)
Pythons (14)
Top Dogs (14)
Snooker Squad (13)
Underdogs (13)
Top Pool Aces (13)
Latin Legends (12)
Mouseketeers (8) +default set v Vipers
Top Guns (6) +default set v Vipers
Shooters Revenge (11) +1 part played straight
Unbeatables (11) +1 part played straight

Decision was made to allow Shooters & Unbeatables to participate.

[B][U]Season 3[/B][/U]

[B]Division 1[/B]

1..Mouseketeers
2..Shooters Revenge
3..Team Angry
4..Top Dogs
5..Unbeatables
6..Wolf Pack

[B]Division 2[/B]

1..Fighting Eagles
2..Latin Legends
3..Pythons
4..Snooker Squad
5..Top Guns
6..Top Pool Aces
7..Underdogs

Season will start on same date as the FCL.[/QUOTE]

exactly the same teams we have in fcl, couldn't of given us more mixed up leagues?

As you know new clans always go into the lower tier mate.

New teams start in division 2 always hence why they moved the goalposts to allow shooters and unbeatables in otherwise they would have had to work out how to pick 2 new teams to go into the first division...
easier option not the right one

There was 3 of the new clans that could have been placed in Div 1 had the vote went another way so your post is incorrect. My post above is in relation to what is now done.

Simple fact is that the runners and the default team can argue anything they want. And since the decision isn't up for debate, you shouldn't really be making any argument at all. the announcement was a notification, not a call for comments or suggestions.

Still the easy option to do what you did and I can't see any other reason for you to do it as you can't give an answer to the 9 obvious points in the post above.

Could. Don't need to. Don't want to. Unnecessary since it won't change anything. Still not done?

This is a league discussion thread and you seem to think because you have had some input in the league for 5 minutes makes you able to close discussions too?
Dextr passed the buck and you made the wrong decision.
Answering all those valid points with 'Because I said so' doesn't cut it with me.

Its becoming to look like your on a vendetta against members and league authority in general like a vigilante of some sorts.

well IMO i would tell lee to stop arguing and just face the fact you will not over power seb in this argument . well i think this should be fair but you could of done it on points . so top 6 teams with points div 1 and lowest 7 teams in div 2

but its not all about the games being played its how the captain does overall . so fighting eagles shouldn't of got in but they did cause of games (not being biased) . the team captains have a responability so why cant you just take the teams who you think do not deserve the place (this is to league runners and defults) because i know your not to keen on fighting eagles captain , cause he kept asking what to do and i could tell some of you were getting really annoyed

No dextr they are valid points that you can't answer and your arguments just keep getting weaker and weaker...that being the most feeble!

In what way did i pass the buck ?? I dont believe so.

If ipotalot continues on this subject which has been made clear to him he will be served a warning by league staff. I wish at this time to say that a second misdemeanor will result in exclusion of the laegue..

Thanks

Staff

Edited at 08:18 Wed 19/10/11 (BST)

wow ipotalot cant help ur self m8 can ya.

1 this is not fcl.
2 defaults team there to decide wheather fault is to blame on a team for gtting game done, so if defults say shooters were not at fault that gives them the defualt which is then 12/16.

we did the same last season with sharks but it was proven that sharks made little effort.

lee also i thought theses leagues were for fun and the more teams the better are u sure u not scared u going to get beat, we can all say anyone is biased.

anyway i for 1 agree with decission.

DEFULTS ARE THERE TO DECIDE IF A TEAM IS AT FAULT SO IF THEY NOT AT FAULT POINT AWARDED SO 12/16 DONE.

to add to this id like to point out that there was a mistake with ineligible players between shooters and UB. This caused confusion as you know and subs were released a few days after. They when a sub was made i was unfortunatley placed against blueberry, who was also ineligble. We could have played that night as we messaged each other and he tried to get a sub but it was too late. This shows willing ness of both clans to get games played, even close to deadline. I will repeat that i did not have involement with the decision but that is and example of what dextr is on about.

If i've been told I can't discuss this any more by the league of which you are a part of kermit it's hardly fair to raise points that I could very easily tear apart but can't answer is it?
I will answer kenny's as it was directly at me then I will happily drop it but expect you to do the same, not trying to change anyone's mind just clear up some accusations.
The decisions weren't based on how the defaults would have gone if they were there would have been no complaints...they weren't given an extra match because defaults were worked out it was based on previous reliability.




That was from the FCL page because my motives have been questioned our team hasn't completed FCL friendlies so my arguments here were based solely on my opinion of how many games should be completed as is there for all to see I don't think 12 is enough let alone 11 so don't question my motives for raising these points.

and that was your answer on the same page Kenny! As for saying about us fearing the teams you need to take a look at the league table and our results against those teams maybe?
Your teams couldn't win a game in the second division let alone compete with a decent team so where you get off with your comments there?!
If you work it out also the first division would have been stronger with snooker squad and pythons in it than shooters and unbeatables (no disrespect meant there but those teams have the strongest straight players on funkypool)
Don't try and talk about things you know nothing about kenny!! Your opinion on any subject means less than nothing to me.

RIGHT SUBJECT DROPPED AS REQUESTED

would appreciate no more points aimed at me

ok lee i agree with that i still stick to my oppionion of 13 is a better number but as a non league runner like u i have a oppion and i might disagree with dext and fbl decissions but i allso understand where there coming from, as to i see your side and there is strong arguments to be raised to fbl staff as to maybe how they reached this decision.

it should not just be ignored.

ipotalot

the discision has been made, you always have a lot to say and are always looking for arguments,

i thank the FBL team, i believe you made the right call here in my oppinion, shooters last season had one game go to default all season , so reliability is there and proven

we had a problem with 2 players and players on holidays we have proved we are reliable and have supported the FBL since its re-invention

common sense has prevailed and again i thank the FBL staff, i now hope ipotalot will end his vendetta against shooters and maybe turn his attention to more constructive things ,,,

good luck everyone in the forthcomming season

craig