The new newbie structure comes pretty close to this if you think about it :

http://www.funkypool.com/thread/17219/patch-newbie-changes-ranking-posting/1

why do you think i on purpose lost from 830 on us8 to a 785 in a ranked tourny? i lost 5.2 points yet i would've gained what? 1.9 with the new update if that.

In all of this i notice its stopping the people sit on ranks, can understand that. Newbie's have been penalised massivly now being unable to compete in tourny's because people are that self centered and bothered they want to know who beat em so they can cry. Now its looking even worse for the better players. Lose alot because your expected to win? this isn't exactly a game you can say your going to win or lose, one fluke in 9ball and you'll drop from 900 down to a 800 in 1 game if you get drawn against a 670 and he flukes a smash.

People are focusing too much on rankings. I dont see why? they prove nothing as people have pointed out for years, nor do tourny wins count towards anything. To become a good player your expected to clear from all area's runouts,gb's and 7ballings commonly.

why waste time going for the runout when a simple noob snooker will garentee the win??

This game will turn tactical and end up boring people, It'll get to the point 30 sec games are going on so people can plan 5 shots later where they want to snooker. Skill is being dominated by rankings now because people moan.

im actually enjoying this on snooker, i didnt approve of not being able to stay on 800 but it will make me log on more and enter more tournaments to get it past the 800 mark again.

i know i moaned alot previously but i think this has changed for the better now

To me it sounds like the balance is now correct between playing for a risky run out versus a tactically superior snooker.

If you wish to play for side achievements without any concern you can still choose friendlies. An analogy of what you did is showboating at 0-0 in the FA Cup 5th round - it's entertaining but, of course, a risk.

If it's made tournaments more competitive, then great! This is intended, tournaments should certainly be the most competitive events on the site.

no need for guests to be newbie's then, they wont get nothing worth while logging in for.

Friendlies? why bother when its all about rank now instead of skill and fun play?

you asked me to think of ways to improve the tournys. Get the guests involved. let them become apart of the site yet not (if you understand the theory) so what if a guest wins a tourny b'cos there banned/ dont want an account because the ranking system is degrading.

I think you'll find a 25% increase to members if they had the same facilities as us. of course not the forum, but playing in tournys is now apparently the main thing alongside rank. Let's give the guests a chance to try it out there self instead of making an account then deleting it and going back to guest accounts.

GBs are flukes - stats show that - you can aim in a certain place but it is still a fluke. (as no-one can repeat it more than 1 in about 100)

Matt you have 5 GBs in 800 games UK and 3 in over 500 in 9 ball so QED. (I have assumed you break 50% of the time)

Runouts and 7 ballings are not necessarily a sign of a great player and there is often an element of luck (such as the way the balls break, a cannon, an unintended result that leaves balls all pottable etc etc). However a player with more runouts + 7 ballings shows an aptitude for risk and flair (and self confidence which Matt you are never short of) but it wont necessarily get you to the top of the rankings long term. I agree with Nick about the balance to a degree but feel losing 16-20 ranking pts in 2 games in a tourny is a bit harsh on those that have experienced such a trauma lol

Al, you already know i do not play for GBs, personally i dont rate em for that very reason it is a fluke. Runouts however are not as such (if you wish to include a lucky pot).

Risk and flair? its about being not so self centered thinking oh im the best im at the top of the rankings which count for nothing, we've all been there done that and now are bored of it.

I notice yet again you bring the rankings up - isn't this funkypool? not rankpool? people play for fun not to sit daily on a online game such as yourself. you are on most of the time. (yes i used to be, changed my ways)

I dont think people understand not everyone wants ranks to be carried out everywhere. you'd play a saftey instead of a chance of a runout in a tourny just because you lose more then you'd gain in 4 games playing the same person in a normal ranked game.

Matt - if you cant see a compliment then you need to open your eyes and read slower. You are a player who takes risk but you have a natural flair for this game and a certain style of play. I have a different style that suits me and gives me the consistency I strive for. As for being self centered and oh I'm the best as you put it I have already said on many occasions that there are some much better players on here than me. If they wanted to I'm sure they could replace me in overall terms. As for being logged in alot - yes I am - I work at home and it is good to have this distraction until the kids get home. I don't actually play that many games tho...

you still have the ability to log in, many others do not. they work abroad, away etc etc so dont sit in doors and have access to the computer.

Why should when they come back saying have lost there own form, enter a tourny and get completly demolished rank wise.

I dont mind the idea of ranked tournys. but you can't have a 900 playing a 710 etc etc, what's the point in turning up for a fluke gb say, or a lucky black/9 and losing almost 50,000,000 points due to the harsh impact it has.

You want the ranked tournys all the time? fine. but dont let the higher ranks have the incentive not to bother with them.

get the 700-799, 800-849, 850 + tournys going etc etc

I work away from home for 2 weeks at time and majority of that ahve no access, certainly time to enter or play .

This now means that I will forefeit ranking points by being away at work with no access..

When I return I usually enter the first tournament available and am rusty... Once again will be penalised for losing..

Hey ho thats the way it goes!!

Having some split rank tournies Matt as you suggest above aint a bad idea.

Having one or two friendly tournies each day / evening aint a bad idea either (no rank and no tournapoints)

I do have sympathy for those that can't access for two weeks at a time etc etc only to find their rank has dropped by 14 pts in each format - a bit harsh but that has to be offset by those that get a very high ranking and then don't play for ages....

Not sure where the balance should lie.....

isn't right though. Is a disgrace to the game that people are penalised because of the more hardcore addicts and the needless changes.

As i said to nick to do a poll and had it rejected i'd like to see personal opinions on a different thread, 1 post per member and 1 per person so no multi posting. Would be interesting to prove that alot more agree change isn't needed.

You seem to have missed the point. If you care for ranking, tournaments are no longer a time to try showboating and not worry about the results (of course, you still can do, but your ranking will include this lack of tactical nous).

It's changed, if you care so much for ranking you need adapt your play likewise.



Possibly you can play a few friendlies to get upto speed, but apart from that it sounds like your ranking has dropped correctly to show for your rustiness.

RESULT: Straight Pool Ranked Tournament - _stranger_ (1) 36 - 22 (0) al_
RANKINGS: _stranger_ 748.3 (+11.0), al_ 920.2 (-10.4)

If i had won I would have won 1.4 in new system

so ratio is 7 to 1

something is amiss

had it been a 675 player would have been nearer 20 pts had I lost and plus 0.8 if I won - ratio over 20:1 - Nick you need to look at this cos it will put people off....

Edited at 15:16 Tue 23/11/10 (GMT)

Oh now you are against it al? You were all for it when you were winning points...

No I am not against it rubber_duck - I just think it needs some fine tuning

You were saying it was all perfect before, everyones opinion is going to change when they are winning and losing

like i keep telling you, i know you don't care about snooker but try losing 12 points in a normal ranked game and 24 points in a tournament, in that respect 10 points isnt a bad loss.

i mean i only lost 4 to topsy a game but i expected more.

The ratios haven't changed. In fact it is exactly 7:1 for 200 point advantage (the ranking system expects you to beat stranger 7 times out of 8).

See the table here:
http://www.funkypool.com/help#rankings

And note:
The comparative rule is that if a person is 100 points higher ranked than their opponent we expect them to win 75% (three quarters) of their games.