Actually the tournament system has been flawed due to having inconsistent player numbers due to the off peak tournaments. Each winner was given the same value reward.

However, those winning a 64 player tournament should be rewarded more than those in an 8 player tournament which is a large reason the TournaPoints system was required and brought in.

Whether people playing only off peak can realistically compete in TournaPoints is another matter, but at least this way we can run round the clock tournaments.

I can be on pretty much whenever yet still am against it.

As Nick reads back through this he'll note alot of asking for ranked and unranked tournys still which was the whole concept of having ranked tournys and unranked in the first place. There was no point making only a couple ranked and the rest unranked just to make them all ranked and the ranking system floored.

As you see in Al's case there was no point him even turning up only a chain reaction to make him not play. If he'd lost that game he would've lost what? 10?15? maybe even 20points and he wons complete .... (you can enter the word)

Ranked games and tournys should be put back to the exact same points. Tournapoints kept and unranked tournys also kept. The idea of not sitting i agree on apart from straight.

Name a time there has ever been 2+ games of 820s playing for the higher ranked players to play.

Straight is the only one i believe we higher ranks can sit on a rank. This is because not everyone is good enough to hit a run of 15+ constantly and they get turned against it because for those with more experience we smash 20's etc etc constantly.

With the new non sitting rank you will see even fewer straight ranked games as everyone will be focusing on trying to get the 1point they have lost in the other types of games.


My idea is simple:

Ranked tournys/ games are both equal points
Tournapoints stay
No sitting on rankings other then straight
There are unranked tournys which people can enter (even if it has to be ranked then unranked)

This way we all get what we want, an element of sitting as a pro, tournapoints a good addition stays, people cant moan at tournys and the ranking system that was good doesn't become bad and dis-attract those higher ranked players from bothering to play and losing 50% more then they used to.

I'm sorry but it's very easy to sit on rank. Look at me with my straight ranking. Haven't played straight properly for a few week yet easily holding 900 rank, so 800 should be no problem for the people that can achieve it in the first place.

It's clear that tournys are now trying to be percieved as the forefront of the site, and your idea changes that perception of that which is clearly what nick does not want.

I'm all for putting tournys at the main frame, but he's using rankings to boost them resulting it still rank being the dominate area.

What's the point in me sitting at 850+ in all game types to lose 5+ points per tourny loss either via a fluke or by them winning?

Your forgetting people will deliberatly lose ranking games against lower people so they drop ranking points quicker. I use myself as an example, i start slowly losing making it not too obvious (not hard to) then slowly decrease my rankings to say 700, i still then keep all my stats, i dont lose much in tournys and have everything to gain. More people will be resetting/ making new names to remain low after the newbie period is over so they lose less per tourny.

This in turn would then put those who are usless much higher up in the rankings where they shouldn't be casuing a complete turn around and making the better players aim lower then before and the higher rankers (in this case those who got wins they would never 99% achieve) would become the pro's. Still doesn't balance it.

entered 14 ranked tournies so far......won 6.....lost loads of rank overall. In a str8 tourny if I don't win it is usually -8 or more. Overall lost 1 final and 3 semi finals

minus 26.4 pts so far just to enter tournaments

I am very much for ranked tournies but they aint much fun as not many v high ranked players having a go and it seems just pointless......as happened in one game today where I scored 0.0 points for a win

proves a point that people believe in rank over tournys.

People have boycotted alot of ranked tournys and most likely will continue to do so, i am one of those.

Needs to be edited fast or alot will lose interest.

I think you have misunderstood the new system. Under the new system it is perfectly possible to "sit" on 800 rank, indeed if they stop playing ranked, thats exactly what lordpool and dark_chocco will do.

The change is clearly an improvement, as the daily reduction is there specifically to keep people playing, something it appears it was failing to do, or even putting people off doing, before.

im aware those will be able to sit on what? 750, the odd few 800.

Most of the focus is now going to be on damage limitation from the tournys that are IMO way over ranked and needs changing and they will focus on the game types they are better in.

You've only played 2 tournament games but made but made no less than 12 posts about it in this thread. Rather than dipping your toes in the pool (pun unintended) and complaining about the temperature, dive in and give it a full go!

i'd rather not waste time losing from a fluke & -5 points then play and feel the same way as i do now.

I'm all for ranking tournys, but they need to be how they used to be. Not this stupid double points meaning everything else is less then what it used to be.

also forgot to mention, where did you get the idea from nick? i can only think its because pompy need double points theirself

Biggest problem for me is I like to play ranked games and then I like to play tournament games. Now all you can play is ranked, ranked, and more ranked games.

I don't see what all the fuss is about seeing players true ability and all that crap. What difference does it make? Fake newbs are fake newbs so what, all you had to do before was not play newbs. Their true stats would be shown in 30 games or less.

Atleast make every other tournament a normal tournament. You can still have your ranked tournaments and your tournapoints crap. But you have to leave something for the players who liked it as it was.

just chose to boycott marathon UK final - would have been against dark_chocco who is a top player on v low rank - my choice - but until this process is sorted and players are at correct ranks it would be pointless to play a first to 5 final against someone like chocco who as we all know is an outstanding player.

Had i won 5-1 would be breakeven on pts just about, anything worse than that and your rank gets crucified. I enjoy ranked tournaments and get a buzz from xtra challenge but the system as is now needs tweeking.

How about giving each player a tourny ranking given previous history and using that for results.....

if people are going to do that in future nick i think you should give the players waiting the FULL win so it stops people looking at the other players rank and thinking i cant be bothered to play so ill lose 1 game not 2 (or how many games there is in the tourney to win to go to the next round).

I really dont like this ranked tournament it was okay when you done some ranked some not because you had a choice.. i did really enjoy the tournaments until you braught this out.. if we dont get friendly tournaments back soon im thinking of quiting the site.. i hope something gets sorted, thanks =] (double rank games make it even more silly too)


If your determined to keep it rank do a system where every game is +2.5points for win -2.5points for loss, just makes a lot more sence.

But that's then unfair on those who end up missing invites for perfectly legit reasons. Again, it's about finding a balance, something that is extremely difficult.

As for Adam's idea of a set rank per game, it could increase as the rounds move forward, starting out at 1 point per game in round one and increasing by 0.5 or 1.0 each round thereafter.

I still prefer friendly tournaments being brought back alongside though.

It would be simple enough to give each player a 'tournie ranking' - easy for admin to see who the user is in most cases - and that ranking can then be used to calculate any ranking gain or loss during a tourny.... until then or until the rankings are settled there are going to be large discrepancies in scoring.

this links well to this discussion

http://www.funkypool.com/thread/17241/ranking-system-for-tournies

yeah i aggree with literally everything darkie just said =D