After talking a bit back and forth with Mich, I have set up a fourth individual league type to cover this

I've called it "Recruitment" league for now, feel free to update me with a better name if you like.

The league basically is set up just like the other individual leagues - with players able to input scores whenever they wish, free of fixtures, but if you want to run a fixture set on top of that you can always do that here on forums.

Score input etc is the same as for any other individual league too - except that the maximum score is higher (since each game is 9 frames), and scoring is straight forward based on frames scored.

Let me know if there's anything else you need

sry if i read it wrong but wat is it for?

This if you look back

oh ok nice idea so they can play while also showing clans what their missing

thats pretty much the idea of it To both Zak and Janmb i am offering my services anything you want a hand with dont hesitate to ask

When we've got it started i'll let you message the players with their fixtures

looking around 10 people

Always thought this should have been done, glad it has been although makes no difference to me lol.

lmao kirk, aint seen no straight runs from you

Invitation to rule discussion / brain storming:

Two aspects I'd like to discuss regarding the default rules/process:

1. Forfeits
Many players find it surprising and illogical that if a player leaves a game saying something like "I'm done, have the rest", this is not a factor in the defaults. In fact we currently have rules explicitly saying players may not forfeit games.

2. Players leaving a game before it's finished
Currently, which of the two players leave a game is not a factor if the game goes to default. This is another aspect many players find surprising and illogical.


Now, both of these aspects are difficult. The current rule setup is very strongly based on avoiding rules that we have to enforce based on "someone said so and so".

What I'd like input on is if anyone has ideas on how the rules could be changed to allow for these two factors to be taken into account....

I completely agree that if a player has to leave in the middle of a game, this should at least be a small negative factor for that player if the game is never finished.

I also agree that a player forfeiting a game currently puts the opponent in a very undesirable position and that the forfeit should be both allowed and taken into account (although in the end of the day, decent clan players should never forfeit a game anyway - most of all from loyalty to their team)

Well, any ideas for rules we could use here? Preferably not dead prone to exploits.

Well for a forfeit in my opinion you should get the player that concedes to post and/or print screen the conversation as evidence that people could message to you. And the remaining frames automatically go to the person.

Apart from that i cant see many ways around this and if you cant print screen or get the other person to post then you have no case.

To not allow people to concede i think is rather daft as it is even allowed in the real game and i give up more times than i dont now anyway as i cant be bothered when i am not playing up to standard. But at least you have something in place and if people argue then its tough luck without the evidence.

Yes Kirk, evidence, enforcing the rules based on something tangible is the hard part about all this.

The forfeiting player posting this on clan thread would suffice imo - but it would HAVE to come from that player and no one else.

Screen shots are too easily manipulated to count for much really.

Guess your right there, so a post is really the only thing that can work, and without that players have to understand that no action can be taken and it has to be treated as a default. Im sure it will still come under attack but it's the best way we can think of thus far.

Hmm, personally I thought the intention was that players may go from one clan to another as long as released even during the season, but reading the strict word of that rule, you are right.

I'll get Steph to sort it out - whether or not this rule states the intention properly or needs to be updated.

I dont get how the rule means he cant play he was released by his captain so what is the problem ?

1.4 Player transfers

Player transfer during seasons are not allowed. Between each season there is a transfer window during which players may move to other clans. The exception to this is if a captain releases a player after the transfer window closes, but before the season starts - in this case that player is considered a free agent.


Key phrase there really, before the season starts, he was released AFTER the season started so can't join another clan until next season according to the rules

1.4 Player transfers

Player transfer during seasons are not allowed. Between each season there is a transfer window during which players may move to other clans. The exception to this is if a captain releases a player after the transfer window closes, but before the season starts - in this case that player is considered a free agent.

Was well after the start he was released therefore isn't considered a free agent surely?

it is abit unfair if he cant play..not his fault he was released

PFFT you stole my point!!!

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He was release because he asked, or that's what's implied in Kev's post

gr8 minds think alike

Yup me and warney are great

*Goes back on topic*