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janmb
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18:06 Tue 3 Aug 10 (BST)  [Link]  
_tyketto_ said:
I mean both, Jan. Brand new and "fake newbs" so to speak lol. Give everyone a fresh start and a new leaf to turn over.


No reason what that technically couldn't work, but then again the rule is there to discourage deactivation - a feature that should never existed in the first place and which causes a nightmare for both the players using it as well as anyone running an event.

Then again, not my call to make, nor do I have half as strong opinions about it as it may sound like.

And old, secondary accounts is a known loophole we cannot possibly close no matter how much we'd like to Kirk.
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18:16 Tue 3 Aug 10 (BST)  [Link]  
True but you usually just get mods to tell you if it's someones 2nd account anyway, but even with them 2nd accounts they get in after 2 month with them, i know a few users already in clans with 2 accounts lol.

But in order to do it all fairly i guess you cant pick and choose, that would be discrimination and legal action could be taken lol.
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18:19 Tue 3 Aug 10 (BST)  [Link]  
_k1rk_ said:
True but you usually just get mods to tell you if it's someones 2nd account anyway, but even with them 2nd accounts they get in after 2 month with them, i know a few users already in clans with 2 accounts lol.

But in order to do it all fairly i guess you cant pick and choose, that would be discrimination and legal action could be taken lol.


Precisely my point, Kirk, thanks. I believe that if they are going to be let into the clan anyway, it might as well be after 1 month in-between seasons and two months during. Just a thought.
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18:34 Tue 3 Aug 10 (BST)  [Link]  
no_talking said:
it so easy 2 prove the player as be of for days just copy his or her profile it states how long the player been of for the captain or the vice can easy prove this or othere players can do it here is a exsample Offline since
15 days ago
Member Since: Mon 07/01/08


that has many many flaws


one example, a player on holiday or only able to come on the forums because they are on mobile phone internet. according to your method, they would be ineligible, yet they have no way of playing the game

another problem is it isnt a very reliable method as...
http://www.funkypool.com/member/cue_power is constantly browsing, he may not have been on for weeks, but under your method would be ineligible to be subbed

or what about someone who hasnt been logged in for 2 weeks, then logs in every few days, profile would say last login was a day ago or a few hours ago so ineligible for subbing, but unlikely to get game played

another is if someone knows they aren't going to be on for a while, you would have to wait for a few days so it shows up that they arent online, wasting valuable playing time which would go against them in a default, which is unfair because they may be able to make a sub but because of a stupid rule would have to wait

Thats just off the top of my head, in short its a bad idea.
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03:40 Wed 4 Aug 10 (BST)  [Link]  
i thought the default panel had access to whether ppl were browsing or playing
janmb
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05:08 Wed 4 Aug 10 (BST)  [Link]  
_k1rk_ said:
True but you usually just get mods to tell you if it's someones 2nd account anyway, but even with them 2nd accounts they get in after 2 month with them, i know a few users already in clans with 2 accounts lol.


Sorry, but that's frankly a dead wrong assumption on your part.

First of all, funkypool staff has nothing more than IPs to base such an opinion on - which is a very poor and inadequate way of telling whether two accounts is the same person or not.

Secondly, funkypool staff don't share information based on staff-only data. Which obviously is a good thing.


_k1rk_ said:
But in order to do it all fairly i guess you cant pick and choose, that would be discrimination and legal action could be taken lol.


lol, guess we're some way away from legal action threats, but it doesn't hurt to try to keep a certain level of integrity anyway

Besides, the more opinions or guesswork needed in the enforcement of rules, the more arguments and hassle you get. The more clean and factual the decision base is, the better for everyone.
janmb
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05:12 Wed 4 Aug 10 (BST)  [Link]  
_vol_ said:
i thought the default panel had access to whether ppl were browsing or playing


They do have log data yes, but they are only as correct as the player profile pages.
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06:48 Wed 4 Aug 10 (BST)  [Link]  
Easy solution people ..... STOP DEACTIVATING AND RESTARTING!!!! One thing for a banned person that is their own deal they have to wait their ban and restart and wait the two months which is so they hve been punished for their own actions but for guys who deactivate and come back wanting to change the rules is ludicris just stop deactivating its not only a hassle for yourselves but for the team who lose players and the captains and vice captains who have to replace them players. I feel if you deactivate you should wait AT LEAST two months just for the hassle it brings if any!! Sorry for you who have deactivated nothing personal with any of you just how i feel about this matter nothing more so take a deep breath let it out and smile ..... its a new day!!!.....pete
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07:14 Wed 4 Aug 10 (BST)  [Link]  
Well said pete , not like people dont know the rules before they deactivate.
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07:48 Wed 4 Aug 10 (BST)  [Link]  
hi

Edited at 12:50 Wed 04/08/10 (BST)
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07:53 Wed 4 Aug 10 (BST)  [Link]  
one example, a player on holiday or only able to come on the forums because they are on mobile phone internet. according to your method, they would be ineligible, yet they have no way of playing the game

another problem is it isnt a very reliable method as...
http://www.funkypool.com/member/cue_power is constantly browsing, he may not have been on for weeks, but under your method would be ineligible to be subbed

or what about someone who hasnt been logged in for 2 weeks, then logs in every few days, profile would say last login was a day ago or a few hours ago so ineligible for subbing, but unlikely to get game played

another is if someone knows they aren't going to be on for a while, you would have to wait for a few days so it shows up that they arent online, wasting valuable playing time which would go against them in a default, which is unfair because they may be able to make a sub but because of a stupid rule would have to wait

Thats just off the top of my head, in short its a bad idea.

hi team

am going 2 make a new rule for our clan am not going 2 have players that are wasting our time if a player is going away i like 2 be told it safes me putting them in fixture that are coming up if there do not say 2 me there going away i will give a player 14 days and if there do not retune in that time there will be out of the clan it gives other players that are reliable 2 play instead



thanks rick
janmb
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08:04 Wed 4 Aug 10 (BST)  [Link]  
Wrong thread?
zantetsukenz
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08:17 Wed 4 Aug 10 (BST)  [Link]  
ok Rick, but what if they havent told you they're going away and you still put them in? still doesnt solve the problem at all
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19:42 Wed 4 Aug 10 (BST)  [Link]  
viking4life said:
Easy solution people ..... STOP DEACTIVATING AND RESTARTING!!!! One thing for a banned person that is their own deal they have to wait their ban and restart and wait the two months which is so they hve been punished for their own actions but for guys who deactivate and come back wanting to change the rules is ludicris just stop deactivating its not only a hassle for yourselves but for the team who lose players and the captains and vice captains who have to replace them players. I feel if you deactivate you should wait AT LEAST two months just for the hassle it brings if any!! Sorry for you who have deactivated nothing personal with any of you just how i feel about this matter nothing more so take a deep breath let it out and smile ..... its a new day!!!.....pete


Very true, Pete. But, can't we just make it shorter in-between seasons?
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12:04 Thu 5 Aug 10 (BST)  [Link]  
Immoral are dead
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08:37 Sun 8 Aug 10 (BST)  [Link]  
zantetsukenz

i think you just wanted to make any excuse mate to use tactics we all have 14 players now
no team should put a sub in straight away soon as the draw is out
teams should wait at lease 5 days so it give them people a chance to play you all have another 9 day after to play it
not waiting for the draw to come out so you can change the poor players over that is called tactics it should no happen in clans now
janmb
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09:13 Sun 8 Aug 10 (BST)  [Link]  
That's your opinion Rick, and definitely something worth discussing, but until, and if the rules of the league are changed, please lets all be clear on clans being free to sub players as soon after fixture start as they like.

Thanks.
hippesville
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10:26 Sun 8 Aug 10 (BST)  [Link]  
wotever.........captains or vice captains generally want all matches played so sub available whenever.

cap or vice do not want defaults and know themselves likelihood of matches being played.

go pete!

incidentally jan what was the level of defaults last season?.....must have been an improvement.
janmb
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10:36 Sun 8 Aug 10 (BST)  [Link]  
The rate of games completed were very good - I don't recall the precise percentages, but I did post them here somewhere so I shall have a look.

Here:

janmb said:
For div 1, that's 5 defaults of total 32 games = 85% of all games completed.

For div 2, that's 3 defaults of total 48 games = 94% of all games completed.

Definitely awesome rates for 2. div, and pretty acceptable for div 1 as well imo


Edited at 15:43 Sun 08/08/10 (BST)
hippesville
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19:49 Sun 8 Aug 10 (BST)  [Link]  
not bad at all well done funkyclan people ......and cheers jan. soz didnt realise it had been previously published
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