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13:08 Sun 2 Nov 08 (GMT)  [Link]  
The ending was amazing. It looked over when Vettel overtook Hamilton, until the last two corners when the very slow Glock was taken by both drivers. Massa's father had thought he had won, and when he been told, you could see the shock coming into his face. Feeling so bad for Felipe, and I wish the press would give Hamilton some space before rushing him into interviews. Well done to Lewis, and well done to Ferrari for the Constructors.

I disagreed with the part where they said "Driver of the season" was Hamilton. I would have given it to Vettel, he was absolutely superb for the car he had, reaching 35 points in a Toro Rosso was never expected. If Vettel had one of the faster cars, he would be in the title race. I'd really like to see him up there next season.

Again, well done to Lewis.

Edited at 19:12 Sun 2/11/08 (GMT)
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13:09 Sun 2 Nov 08 (GMT)  [Link]  
All I can say is well done Hamilton!!!!

He was very brave to take it to the last corner.

And I'm just thinking he was is so local to me its unbelieveable,He was only down the road.

But then I feel sorry for the one that could of had 5th.

At the end of day Hamilton the legend.
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13:30 Sun 2 Nov 08 (GMT)  [Link]  
pro_i_am said:




At the end of day Hamilton the legend.


Oh sweet mother of God. That word is used way to often and easily in life, and this is deifnitely a case of it being used to easily
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13:34 Sun 2 Nov 08 (GMT)  [Link]  
Lol I'm only telling the truth
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13:59 Sun 2 Nov 08 (GMT)  [Link]  
I'm glad Hamilton won
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14:18 Sun 2 Nov 08 (GMT)  [Link]  
Wooo lewis
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14:23 Sun 2 Nov 08 (GMT)  [Link]  
sporting said:
Amazing race !


Well done Lewis Hamilton.

Hamilton doesn't deserve it (In my opinion), he didn't win it Glock won it for him. It is nearly impossible to lose the time he lost to Hamilton on 1 lap without some kind of twist! A toyota driver giving Hamilton a big juicy hug at the end must make Massa feel sick, even the comentator said he must have had a message. I'm so gutted for Massa and am bracing myself for all this press and blabby blab blab news we are going to have to put up with. It's already started "Hamilton holds nerve" He crapped his pants, he thought it was over and couldn't even catch the Torro rosso, what amazing nerve he showed.

I feel sick

Edited at 19:32 Sun 2/11/08 (GMT)


What you on about?

The car he was driving couldn't keep up with the Torro Rosso. On top of that Kubica had no right to cut Hamilton up, thus forcing him wide which let Vettel through!

It's done over a season, a season in which he's be constantly done over, it's about time he had some luck. As for the Toyota slowing, I think it had something to do with the rain that was on the track and him having normal race tyres on - that'd be my guess anyway............


Super Hamilton!!

He deserved that one. However I did feel sorry for Massa! I'm sure he'll become a champion one day.

You just hate to see an Englishman do well! Just like all the other home nations.


Anyway.............

SUPER HAMILTON!!!!!!!!
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15:13 Sun 2 Nov 08 (GMT)  [Link]  
You couldn't be more wrong. I don't not like seeing an Englishman win, in-fact I couldn't give dam! I hate the way you will make it all out(Not you personally) He won't be British, he will be English and the pain of the media will be un-barable. It most certainly is not because he is English, in-fact that's a harsh thing to say as many may see that as a racist accusation. It does do my head in how alot of English think that it's because he is English. It's like you think your special to everyone else to even think that we care!!

Kubica cut up Vettel just as much as Hamilton as he passed them both in quick succession, maybe the skill of Vettel just capitalised on his mistake.

Massa has had as much bad luck as Hamilton through out the season. People seem to define Hamilton bad luck on steward enquiries and decisons, which is sour grapes in my mind as they write the rules so there is not really an arguement. Where as Massa bad luck could be defined as team mistakes. Which is seems bad luck in my opinion, more than than breaking the rules anyway.

Glock, in the commentators words could have "tip-toed around" and still not be caught by Hamilton. You can put it more simple and say that no other driver on dry tyers was caught by so much over one lap by another driver on intermediates behind them. Losing 18 seconds in 1 lap is effectively taking a pit stop half way around the lap One has to wonder....
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15:27 Sun 2 Nov 08 (GMT)  [Link]  
sporting said:
Hamilton doesn't deserve it (In my opinion), he didn't win it Glock won it for him. It is nearly impossible to lose the time he lost to Hamilton on 1 lap without some kind of twist!


How wrong is it possible to get lol.

You forget a very simple, obvious and important fact: Glock was never part of the battle for the points in the first place! The only thing making him part of the equation in the first place was the gamble to stay out on primes when all the other teams elected to hit the pits for intermediates.

It was a brave gamble, much credit for that, and if looking past the fact that he lost a lot of places on the last lap, I still think it actually won him a position or two, compared to pitting like the others did. A good move by Toyota for sure.

You should NOT be surprised that a mediocre driver in a mediocre car on a HOPELESS tyre choice losing 10+ seconds a lap to drivers like Hamilton and Vettel.

Again, the single reason Glock was ever part of the equation at all was because of the tyre gamble - the same gamble that almost cost Hamilton the championship.

Congratulations Lewis, well done! Hope there will be many more to come.
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15:28 Sun 2 Nov 08 (GMT)  [Link]  
sporting said:
Oh sweet mother of God. That word is used way to often and easily in life, and this is deifnitely a case of it being used to easily


Agreed - you are hardly a legend after a single championship, but give it a few years and he will be
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15:33 Sun 2 Nov 08 (GMT)  [Link]  
sporting said:
Losing 18 seconds in 1 lap is effectively taking a pit stop half way around the lap One has to wonder....


Feel free to wonder as much as you like.

For those of us who have followed the sport closely for a couple decades now, know perfectly well that losing 18 seconds when running hard tires on heavy rain is not only not surprising at all, it's to be expected. On top of that, keep in mind that Glock - regardless of of conditions - is a much slower driver than either of the two who overtook him.
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15:36 Sun 2 Nov 08 (GMT)  [Link]  
sporting said:
Massa has had as much bad luck as Hamilton through out the season. People seem to define Hamilton bad luck on steward enquiries and decisons, which is sour grapes in my mind as they write the rules so there is not really an arguement. Where as Massa bad luck could be defined as team mistakes. Which is seems bad luck in my opinion, more than than breaking the rules anyway.


This is just bias, mate.

Team foul-ups is just as much a matter of incompetence, and something you are 100% responsible for yourself.

Steward/FIA rulings on the other hand is something completely out of the drivers' or teams' control.

I agree that Massa had his fair share of incidents to deal with for sure, but overall most of those were within the control and responsibility of himself and/or his team. In the case of Hamilton, most of it was rule haggling, some of it clear as crisp, some of it not at all so (Spa in particular was a ridiculous ruling, but that's fortunately behind us now)
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15:51 Sun 2 Nov 08 (GMT)  [Link]  
janmb said:
sporting said:
Losing 18 seconds in 1 lap is effectively taking a pit stop half way around the lap One has to wonder....


Feel free to wonder as much as you like.

For those of us who have followed the sport closely for a couple decades now, know perfectly well that losing 18 seconds when running hard tires on heavy rain is not only not surprising at all, it's to be expected. On top of that, keep in mind that Glock - regardless of of conditions - is a much slower driver than either of the two who overtook him.


Exactly.

If the same thing had happened 10 laps earlier nobody would have even noticed.

As it happened, it came at a time that provided us with the most exciting finish to a championship i can remember.

Really looking forward to next season, lets just hope politics and insane regulation shuffling can be suppressed and let todays amazing crop of closely matched drivers and teams just get out there an race.

Well Done Hamilton, (wherever you come from ) and lets not forget well done to Massa, who had just as good a season and raced impeccably today.
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16:21 Sun 2 Nov 08 (GMT)  [Link]  
Woooo!

Go Hamilton!
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16:22 Sun 2 Nov 08 (GMT)  [Link]  
spinner said:
Really looking forward to next season, lets just hope politics and insane regulation shuffling can be suppressed and let todays amazing crop of closely matched drivers and teams just get out there an race.


Indeed!

With a little luck, we can see as much as 4 teams being serious contenders next year, if BMW can get back on track, and Renault is continuing the great trend they have had the last few races of this season.

The only pity for next season in me eyes is Vettel not getting a better seat. Oh well, just guess he'll have to wait for 2010.

And yes, not to forget Massa at all! He gave it 100% and did his job perfectly, despite the massive pressure of HAVING to win. The way he lost it at the end must be devastating, something he could barely keep suppressed during the national athems.

Edited at 22:28 Sun 2/11/08 (GMT)
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16:26 Sun 2 Nov 08 (GMT)  [Link]  
normally F1 bores the crap out of me so i havent watched a race in many years, however after hearing in the media about a young man from the UK a whisper away from being crowned f1 Champion i thought id take a look....and found the latter part the most exciting, but the prospect of the race and the weather etc kept me interested through all but 30 mins of the race, when my daughter wanted to watch Cbeebies,gotta keep the kids happy too lol.Then watched the last 20 laps.....

Anyway.... well done Lewis Hamilton
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16:47 Sun 2 Nov 08 (GMT)  [Link]  
a cracking race, this sort of thing is not good for the blood presure, but it came good in the end a great season for hamilton hopefully the first of many
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17:07 Sun 2 Nov 08 (GMT)  [Link]  
Nice one Lewis.

Now im off to give my heart a rest for a few days
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17:22 Sun 2 Nov 08 (GMT)  [Link]  
spinner said:

Well Done Hamilton, (wherever you come from ) and lets not forget well done to Massa, who had just as good a season and raced impeccably today.


Lol he use to live 2 minutes down the road from me now he has moved abroad becuase of taxes I mean come someone with money like that!
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18:23 Sun 2 Nov 08 (GMT)  [Link]  
To help settle Sporting's mind a little more, I looked a bit more at that last lap.

As you said, Hamilton and Vettel started that lap approx 18 sec behind Glock, closer to 19 in fact.

The entire field ran high 1:20ies, with two exceptions: Trulli and Glock. Who coincidentally were the only two cars still running on primes (heavily worn even) as the track started wetting up badly from the rain. If you look at the turn in which the pair passed him, you can clearly see just how ridiculously nervous Glock's car is at that point. Vettel beats him with almost 10 seconds from that turn up to the finish line - a distance of about 300 meters!

I've been following this sport since before you were born, and there's nothing new here. We've seen plenty examples of cars getting caught by rain while on dry tires doing worse than double lap times compared to the cars on wet tyres. The difference between wet tyres and primes on a wet track can only be described as extreme.

In this case, Glock/Toyota made a huge gamble, and in many ways it still paid off, despite getting caught at the end. At the time the rain started and most pitted for new tyres, he was running 8th behind Heiki, a full 20 seconds behind Hamilton and Vettel. After the dust settled, he is left with a very decent 6th. Not a bad gamble at all, and one that almost bought him another couple of positions, but not quite.

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