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21:37 Fri 17 Jul 15 (BST) [Link]
More so in straight where top players are capable of hitting 100+ runs, the only people asking for this change to 5 are the top clans because they know they have the top straight players and its easy points for them.
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21:37 Fri 17 Jul 15 (BST) [Link]
I'm not sure why you are concerned with me but I played three straight games, two against pros and one against Fearless Knights.
Increasing straight frames favouring the top teams is a valid argument but wouldn't that be true for all types? After all in a longer format the better player wins more often than not. But at least increasing the straight frames to a decent format will make it worth playing and not make it pot luck.
At the end of the day, as strong as you feel about straight being dropped Ab until you provide evidence (as I have above) then I don't see a justification.
Increasing straight frames favouring the top teams is a valid argument but wouldn't that be true for all types? After all in a longer format the better player wins more often than not. But at least increasing the straight frames to a decent format will make it worth playing and not make it pot luck.
At the end of the day, as strong as you feel about straight being dropped Ab until you provide evidence (as I have above) then I don't see a justification.
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21:39 Fri 17 Jul 15 (BST) [Link]
I'm asking for this so that straight is worth playing - at least give us four frames to make it a decent match. Two frames isn't enough when all the other types get a fair match (and talks of an increase to their frames)
More so in straight where top players are capable of hitting 100+ runs, the only people asking for this change to 5 are the top clans because they know they have the top straight players and its easy points for them.
I'm asking for this so that straight is worth playing - at least give us four frames to make it a decent match. Two frames isn't enough when all the other types get a fair match (and talks of an increase to their frames)
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21:40 Fri 17 Jul 15 (BST) [Link]
This would be a much better format in my opinion
I've re-read, and considered again, every opinion posted, I still say
10 frames of others, worth 1 point each on overall table
5 games of straight, worth 2 points each on overall table
not torn up though if most want 8 and 4 instead.
2 indiv fixtures of each type
Every frame should be played, if they aren't I don't think it's truly frame count.
Stopping when indiv matches are decided would ruin it for me.
The odds of there being a tie at the season's end is very low with frame count. If there is though, I say just use the frame count from when those teams played each other directly (if they played twice, add the 2 together first).
If they're still tied (would be almost a miracle), have a play-off like keith mentioned doing in FCL.
I think killer should be added back to SL, SL needs something to make it more different than FCL anyway, beside just a shorter format.
and if people want arcade, I think it certainly belongs in SL, the league where anyone can win anyway.
Edited at 18:31 Fri 17/07/15 (BST)
10 frames of others, worth 1 point each on overall table
5 games of straight, worth 2 points each on overall table
not torn up though if most want 8 and 4 instead.
2 indiv fixtures of each type
Every frame should be played, if they aren't I don't think it's truly frame count.
Stopping when indiv matches are decided would ruin it for me.
The odds of there being a tie at the season's end is very low with frame count. If there is though, I say just use the frame count from when those teams played each other directly (if they played twice, add the 2 together first).
If they're still tied (would be almost a miracle), have a play-off like keith mentioned doing in FCL.
I think killer should be added back to SL, SL needs something to make it more different than FCL anyway, beside just a shorter format.
and if people want arcade, I think it certainly belongs in SL, the league where anyone can win anyway.
Edited at 18:31 Fri 17/07/15 (BST)
This would be a much better format in my opinion
21:41 Fri 17 Jul 15 (BST) [Link]
I'm not going to get into a debate with you mate but all your trying to do is put a bigger gap between the top players/clans and the socalled smaller ones, to say the less skilled teams have SL to give them a chance is a joke, you make it sound like they are only there to make up the numbers in the other leagues.
Be interesting to get opinions from these less skilled teams instead of the top 2 clans being the only ones pushing for this change.
Edited at 18:45 Fri 17/07/15 (BST)
An increase in any type would do that. I want the FBL to have a long format, for accuracy's sake.
The less skilled teams have SL to give them a chance.
The less skilled teams have SL to give them a chance.
I'm not going to get into a debate with you mate but all your trying to do is put a bigger gap between the top players/clans and the socalled smaller ones, to say the less skilled teams have SL to give them a chance is a joke, you make it sound like they are only there to make up the numbers in the other leagues.
Be interesting to get opinions from these less skilled teams instead of the top 2 clans being the only ones pushing for this change.
Edited at 18:45 Fri 17/07/15 (BST)
21:45 Fri 17 Jul 15 (BST) [Link]
I just recognize that they don't really have a chance of winning a league with a long format. Most want an accurate league for their preferred scoring system though, I know keith (new FCL)and I (new FBL)do.
Sl gives them a greater chance than the other leagues because of the short format.
I'm just pointing out that there is something for everyone already, without making the FBL shorter or scrapping straight.
Edited at 19:04 Fri 17/07/15 (BST)
Sl gives them a greater chance than the other leagues because of the short format.
I'm just pointing out that there is something for everyone already, without making the FBL shorter or scrapping straight.
Edited at 19:04 Fri 17/07/15 (BST)
21:51 Fri 17 Jul 15 (BST) [Link]
Whats the point in these less skilled teams joining a league where the top 2 clans are trying to change it to a longer format to suit themselves and as you said " they don't have a chance of winning a league with a long format " so why should they bother ?
Lets get some opinions from players outside the top 2 clans.
Lets get some opinions from players outside the top 2 clans.
21:55 Fri 17 Jul 15 (BST) [Link]
You have a problem with FBL playing 10 frames, and no problem with FCL playing 15?
Not like 8 to 10 is a big increase anyway.
It's just straight that bothers u, huh?
I admit it has more whitewashes than other types, which is why I'm not against:
10 frames of others, one point each
4 games of straight, 2 points each
giving straight a little less points availiable so that it doesn't have more weight in deciding the league than other types.
but a couple already posted against that.
Edited at 19:18 Fri 17/07/15 (BST)
Not like 8 to 10 is a big increase anyway.
It's just straight that bothers u, huh?
I admit it has more whitewashes than other types, which is why I'm not against:
10 frames of others, one point each
4 games of straight, 2 points each
giving straight a little less points availiable so that it doesn't have more weight in deciding the league than other types.
but a couple already posted against that.
Edited at 19:18 Fri 17/07/15 (BST)
21:55 Fri 17 Jul 15 (BST) [Link]
Lets do 1 frame of each type, 1 game of 2 vs 2 killer, fcl 1 frame of US, UK, 9 Ball, then its really pot luck.
I think SL wanted to be longer because of how short the format is, its like your on for 15-20 minutes.
I hate Straight but feel it deserves its place
I think SL wanted to be longer because of how short the format is, its like your on for 15-20 minutes.
I hate Straight but feel it deserves its place
22:04 Fri 17 Jul 15 (BST) [Link]
I've not said I have a problem with playing 10 frames in FBL, I have a problem with the top 2 clans pushing for a format knowing it will only suit them, you want 5 frames of straight knowing less skilled players have no chance of winning best of 5 against the top 2, your trying your best to increase that gap between the top and less skilled clans.
Its about having formats that all clans enjoy, not just the top 2, but hey its ok the lesser skilled teams have the SL lol.
Its about having formats that all clans enjoy, not just the top 2, but hey its ok the lesser skilled teams have the SL lol.
22:14 Fri 17 Jul 15 (BST) [Link]
You just complained about us wanting to change to a longer format did u not? but ok, your not against 10 frames, just against straight having 5 right?
Did you see the last half of my last post? the 10 and 4 idea?
and I'm strongly against best of/stopping when the indiv match is decided, that's not true frame count. Maybe that's another post I made today that you missed the last half of?
Edited at 19:22 Fri 17/07/15 (BST)
Did you see the last half of my last post? the 10 and 4 idea?
and I'm strongly against best of/stopping when the indiv match is decided, that's not true frame count. Maybe that's another post I made today that you missed the last half of?
Edited at 19:22 Fri 17/07/15 (BST)
22:25 Fri 17 Jul 15 (BST) [Link]
Just means the top players win 4-0 (8 -0 pts) instead of 2-0, corsair can list all the players that played it last season and say its popular if he wants but the fact is that it was part of the FBL and clans had to put someone in, as I've said previously, lets see what the clans outside the top 2 think, be good to get their opinions instead of you 2 being the only ones pushing for change.
Sorry I didnt mean best of, I meant how many of these lesser skilled players will win over 5 frames against the top 2 or 3 clans
Sorry I didnt mean best of, I meant how many of these lesser skilled players will win over 5 frames against the top 2 or 3 clans
22:27 Fri 17 Jul 15 (BST) [Link]
Give us the facts to prove what youre saying. So far, apart from Ash and you, all the others who posted dont seem against straight.
Just means the top players win 4-0 (8 -0 pts) instead of 2-0, corsair can list all the players that played it last season and say its popular if he wants but the fact is that it was part of the FBL and clans had to put someone in, as I've said previously, lets see what the clans outside the top 2 think, be good to get their opinions instead of you 2 being the only ones pushing for change.
Give us the facts to prove what youre saying. So far, apart from Ash and you, all the others who posted dont seem against straight.
22:35 Fri 17 Jul 15 (BST) [Link]
You should try reading all posts lol
Agree
As I said previously, lets see what the clans outside the top 2 think, be good to get their opinions instead of the top 2 being the only clans pushing for change, I hope other clans post and if they agree with you I'll shut up and leave you to it.
How many of them are going in against the top players hoping to steal a frame or knowing they will lose ?
How many frames of straight did you lose all season and how many did you lose against clans outside the top 2 clans ?
By increasing straight to 5 frames is just going to give more points to the top teams.
How many frames of straight did you lose all season and how many did you lose against clans outside the top 2 clans ?
By increasing straight to 5 frames is just going to give more points to the top teams.
Agree
My opinion is .... If the majority wants to replace straight with killer we should do it
Killer also is more social and new players would enjoy killer more, at least i would of and think so currently as well..
But, what if we keep the killer cup and make a straight cup ? And perhaps instead of straight in FBL add a arcade game :) of course the adding the arcade is just a personal opinion.
Killer also is more social and new players would enjoy killer more, at least i would of and think so currently as well..
But, what if we keep the killer cup and make a straight cup ? And perhaps instead of straight in FBL add a arcade game :) of course the adding the arcade is just a personal opinion.
As I said previously, lets see what the clans outside the top 2 think, be good to get their opinions instead of the top 2 being the only clans pushing for change, I hope other clans post and if they agree with you I'll shut up and leave you to it.
22:36 Fri 17 Jul 15 (BST) [Link]
Also in Fbl we can add a game of Mixed if many agree? Just a thought
22:36 Fri 17 Jul 15 (BST) [Link]
Not against straight - just think should be replaced with killer (team orientated game) and straight have it's own league. Where they can play as many frames to their hearts content and not affect anyone else or the FBL's overall scores.
22:40 Fri 17 Jul 15 (BST) [Link]
Weve had killer before and it was always hard to get some of the games played. Some of the clans always prefer their best players to take part on killers and its always hard getting it played. Unless u want captains to be on here online most of the day to arrange a killer. Killer has been a success in the format it is currently
Not against straight - just think should be replaced with killer (team orientated game) and straight have it's own league. Where they can play as many frames to their hearts content and not affect anyone else or the FBL's overall scores.
Weve had killer before and it was always hard to get some of the games played. Some of the clans always prefer their best players to take part on killers and its always hard getting it played. Unless u want captains to be on here online most of the day to arrange a killer. Killer has been a success in the format it is currently
22:43 Fri 17 Jul 15 (BST) [Link]
Okay fair point - maybe replace the straight then with 2 wild card fixtures, not necessarily having to be straight?
23:14 Fri 17 Jul 15 (BST) [Link]
why does Straight have to be removed though? If it is then i want 9US removed for the flukes and 8UK for the easy carries that leaves 8US which is more like it, but then theres deliberate fouling.
flaws in every type, players just want to remove it as top players will most likely win, true but at same time, if an attacking UK player plays a tactical one, no matter how boring 9/10 the tapper wins, its the same in Straight except instead of tactical play you can have a mix.
If we drop down to one straight then i'm sure at least one good straight player in each team so makes it balanced.
flaws in every type, players just want to remove it as top players will most likely win, true but at same time, if an attacking UK player plays a tactical one, no matter how boring 9/10 the tapper wins, its the same in Straight except instead of tactical play you can have a mix.
If we drop down to one straight then i'm sure at least one good straight player in each team so makes it balanced.
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