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zantetsukenz
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20:51 Thu 9 Jul 15 (BST)  [Link]  
bye huts, corrupt? what about the time you sent in false info? lol the corrupt one there is you


false info ? im very honest and all info I send in is 100% truthful .

I could message you a list of all the falsities from one of your defaults if you'd like. Might take me a while to find it but there was a concise list
horse10000
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20:53 Thu 9 Jul 15 (BST)  [Link]  
I do think a little too much is secretive, I think a little transparency might increase Clans and Captains morale. Trust is the key ingredient here and with secrecy that is only going to encourage the accusations of being bias or unjust even more. Which is not fair on the League Runner neither.

As long as the same set criteria is used to determine the overall result then no one on such a panel should be held accountable for any score. There's no reason why all grievances or disputes cannot be directed solely towards the Head League Runner as you have requested previously.


May I add:

My point I were trying to get across were if some Captains are asked then WHY NOT ALL - there is meant to be no favouritism, preferential treatment or confidential information passed on to a secretive/selective group. IMO


It sounds like the only problem that you have is why has no one asked you?

Maybe you should think about why that might be?
_knightmare_
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20:54 Thu 9 Jul 15 (BST)  [Link]  
I vote for fixtures to return to 2 per release and 2 week deadlines.
Didn't mind them over lapping as kept players and Captains on their toes.

_knightmare_
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20:57 Thu 9 Jul 15 (BST)  [Link]  
I do think a little too much is secretive, I think a little transparency might increase Clans and Captains morale. Trust is the key ingredient here and with secrecy that is only going to encourage the accusations of being bias or unjust even more. Which is not fair on the League Runner neither.

As long as the same set criteria is used to determine the overall result then no one on such a panel should be held accountable for any score. There's no reason why all grievances or disputes cannot be directed solely towards the Head League Runner as you have requested previously.


May I add:

My point I were trying to get across were if some Captains are asked then WHY NOT ALL - there is meant to be no favouritism, preferential treatment or confidential information passed on to a secretive/selective group. IMO


It sounds like the only problem that you have is why has no one asked you?

Maybe you should think about why that might be?


I can see why you would assume the post were along those lines, but it wasn't. I wouldn't have asked me myself (I used me as an example) - reason being - been a little too confrontational and also unfortunately the team ourselves have suffered 'defaults'' this season. Something we intend on rectifying asap.
horse10000
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20:58 Thu 9 Jul 15 (BST)  [Link]  
bye huts, corrupt? what about the time you sent in false info? lol the corrupt one there is you


false info ? im very honest and all info I send in is 100% truthful .

I could message you a list of all the falsities from one of your defaults if you'd like. Might take me a while to find it but there was a concise list


huts your default information has more holes in it than my late grandfathers string vest, defaults are carried out on the facts and not on stories that players choose to write to make things look in their favour. Anyone can write a story how much fact and fantasy in that story is down to the person who wrote it. Defaults will always be done on messages, posts and genuine effort to play, nothing else.
horse10000
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21:01 Thu 9 Jul 15 (BST)  [Link]  
I vote for fixtures to return to 2 per release and 2 week deadlines.
Didn't mind them over lapping as kept players and Captains on their toes.



If we are keeping all 3 leagues it will remain at 3 week deadlines as it is far easier to maintain and update information. If we reduce leagues it would reduce.
klien
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21:01 Thu 9 Jul 15 (BST)  [Link]  
Just in defence of Keith..
(potentially throwing a spanner in the works here)

I can say that the way he handles defaults is absolutely fair and unbias, he has my full trust and an anonymous default panel is the best way forward I believe.

That or an elected panel on votes at the beginning of each season, but the hassle and abuse this elected panel would potentially get, would put many people off, myself included, from volunteering to do anything like that.
horse10000
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21:04 Thu 9 Jul 15 (BST)  [Link]  
Just in defence of Keith..
(potentially throwing a spanner in the works here)

I can say that the way he handles defaults is absolutely fair and unbias, he has my full trust and an anonymous default panel is the best way forward I believe.

That or an elected panel on votes at the beginning of each season, but the hassle and abuse this elected panel would potentially get, would put many people off, myself included, from volunteering to do anything like that.


Thanks mate that is why I have chosen to go down the anonymous route which is a pity but easier in the long run as they can only shout at me.
dgeneratio
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21:12 Thu 9 Jul 15 (BST)  [Link]  
May I add:

My point I were trying to get across were if some Captains are asked then WHY NOT ALL - there is meant to be no favouritism, preferential treatment or confidential information passed on to a secretive/selective group. IMO


Defaults are meant to be secret with someone overseeing them and either predicting a score or using a panel (works well on snooker with few arguments).

On Snooker we do try as close to one individual as possible for each clan but some has two reps and usually we all agree without a hesitation. If it get hesitant then remove the score between the two sides and use other panelists.

On Pool Keith decides alone much like Chris did even if staff aided him once.

I don't think we need to change ways defaults are done personally but did notice some members called Keith biased when things didn't go their way, In their heart they know it isn't true but their head gets better of them
zantetsukenz
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23:36 Thu 9 Jul 15 (BST)  [Link]  
Final FCL Standings

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zantetsukenz
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00:10 Fri 10 Jul 15 (BST)  [Link]  
Top 10 FCL GC, split by Divisions

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EDIT - hippesville and w_hoolahan are in the wrong order. hippesville is 2nd and w_hoolahan is 3rd. The stats are correct, just forgot to switch them over.
the__priest
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02:58 Fri 10 Jul 15 (BST)  [Link]  
my opinion is simple
Keith does them with people who genuinely do work behind the scenes and not people who like titles and do little or nothing else to help the runner

and never 2 people or more in the same clan should ever decide the outcome of any default
zantetsukenz
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13:00 Fri 10 Jul 15 (BST)  [Link]  
You don't know what happens behind the scenes, and who has what role. So why do you say some runners just want the title and not the work when you have no clue about the work we all do? I'm curious because you often say it at a seasons end.

Also, it makes no difference who belongs in what clan. If a player is trustworthy enough then that is all that matters. I would rather have the best people no matter what clan than just the best from each clan. We've done that in the past and ended up with some unreliable characters involved who don't do the work (ironic). Players also move, deactivate, etc. so why risk chopping and changing throughout the season?
the__priest
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14:12 Fri 10 Jul 15 (BST)  [Link]  
You don't know what happens behind the scenes, and who has what role. So why do you say some runners just want the title and not the work when you have no clue about the work we all do? I'm curious because you often say it at a seasons end.

Also, it makes no difference who belongs in what clan. If a player is trustworthy enough then that is all that matters. I would rather have the best people no matter what clan than just the best from each clan. We've done that in the past and ended up with some unreliable characters involved who don't do the work (ironic). Players also move, deactivate, etc. so why risk chopping and changing throughout the season?


why do I keep asking who does what >> ? never ever asked once
I don't need to know what happens behind the scenes
no need to justify yourself to me, I don't need an explanation either thanks, I never ever ask at the end of a season either, its plain and simple to see who does the work, its not hard

be as curious as you need to be, the reason I say it is because I can read threads, its easy to see who does fixtures and who does updating, so truly its also very easy to say about titles, or am I wrong

sharing the workload for everyone should be a priority
making it all equal, hence my title comment.

I made an observation, I'm sure that's not breaking forum rules, if it is I will gladly edit
zantetsukenz
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14:46 Fri 10 Jul 15 (BST)  [Link]  
Quite clearly I never said you ask about who does what.

You never mentioned threads and the like, you mentioned behind the scenes. The work that is unseen cannot be observed by most in the league, so when you say the people who genuinely do work behind the scenes you mean the people who do work right in the open.

I understand your title comment and I understand who it is aimed at. However, berating league runners because you don't know what they do and saying others are under appreciated because you know what they do is just daft. As is saying the workload of the runners needs to be equal when you are clueless as to how much effort each runner does and the workload they have each. You can't say the workloads are uneven, you don't know what each runner does behind the scenes. Do you really think Keith would allow someone the title if they didn't do the work?

Maybe applaud all effort no matter how you feel instead of slating what you can't see, and things would become more overt with Keith not having to protect assistants.
the__priest
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15:48 Fri 10 Jul 15 (BST)  [Link]  
well I have got to say a big thank you to Sarah, Keith and Zac

great effort to keep forums updated and the leagues running smoothly

but it has to be a mega one for you Sarah, some may say im biased, but hardly as you are the one who does the bulk of the work seen and unseen, its a shame all the seasons you've been behind the scenes working with most runners and all the work you do, seems to go unrecognised

I for one will say Well Done and Please keep it up
being a runner isn't just a label or a title its earned

its for work done & you've definitely earned that title
respect to you

Keith you were asked to stay on this season after saving Clan Pool, you've had a great first season, a few glitches
but hey who cares, please continue
and make the changes you deem fit, to bring the fun back to clan pool

you've done well Keith keep up the good work
but maybe draft in some people to offset the work load

again a big well done to all


truly don't understand your post
this is very clear, berating people hmmm, nice try
maybe don't try and instigate an argument maybe read the first post.

think the above post says very little to back up your comments

however I stand by the above post, updating & doing fixtures
which can be seen is the main work to be done
klien
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15:50 Fri 10 Jul 15 (BST)  [Link]  

truly don't understand your post


You should try reading your own.. gives a real headache..

Your automatic reply when somebody doesnt agree with you is always "hmm berating people.. nice try"
the__priest
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15:54 Fri 10 Jul 15 (BST)  [Link]  
you don't have to disagree or agree
its my opinion.
dgeneratio
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16:05 Fri 10 Jul 15 (BST)  [Link]  

truly don't understand your post


You should try reading your own.. gives a real headache..

Your automatic reply when somebody doesnt agree with you is always "hmm berating people.. nice try"


Don't forget the Killing the site one too

Oops i quoted, please don't blame me for losing
hippesville
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18:31 Fri 10 Jul 15 (BST)  [Link]  
Top 10 FCL GC, split by Divisions

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EDIT - hippesville and w_hoolahan are in the wrong order. hippesville is 2nd and w_hoolahan is 3rd. The stats are correct, just forgot to switch them over.


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