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horse10000
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17:04 Thu 9 Jul 15 (BST)  [Link]  
For defaults I have used several people this season those have included the players that have helped me but more recently I have opted to use others from other teams, I have even used the captains of the teams involved etc. No one needs to know who has done them as any default that I then post I am more than happy that I have others in agreement or points of view included. Therefore any issues with any default you can question me and I am happy to respond. By keeping the others anonymous it stops the constant abuse that players get as to why they came to the decision they did, the only abuse that can be directed is at me and I am happy for it to remain that way as it is totally unfair on others to receive for assisting me.
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17:16 Thu 9 Jul 15 (BST)  [Link]  
Quote: I have even used the captains of the teams involved etc. (never have I been asked, so where's the fairness in that?)

I agree with keeping the default panel anonymous but surely shouldn't the Captains from each team be responsible for assisting you with keeping the leagues running as efficiently and smoothly as possible?

Instead just some players or acquaintances you have.
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17:18 Thu 9 Jul 15 (BST)  [Link]  
Cant you do what normal league runners do and use just 1 or 2 honest people rather than 5 in which I feel is not needed .

For me No other captains should involved with any defaults regarding other team points! . only league runner should be doing defaults in my view .
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17:20 Thu 9 Jul 15 (BST)  [Link]  
Quote: I have even used the captains of the teams involved etc. (never have I been asked, so where's the fairness in that?)

I agree with keeping the default panel anonymous but surely shouldn't the Captains from each team be responsible for assisting you with keeping the leagues running as efficiently and smoothly as possible?

Instead just some players or acquaintances you have.


In FBL if I have a captain admitting his team are at fault and the other team attempted to play game do you not think I should use this then?
dgeneratio
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17:22 Thu 9 Jul 15 (BST)  [Link]  
Quote: I have even used the captains of the teams involved etc. (never have I been asked, so where's the fairness in that?)

I agree with keeping the default panel anonymous but surely shouldn't the Captains from each team be responsible for assisting you with keeping the leagues running as efficiently and smoothly as possible?

Instead just some players or acquaintances you have.


Then every default, captains would argue over who should get the points, granted some even go against their own team.

The fairest thing is One or Two members from each clan (runner + staff wouldn't count towards that) but i have always liked the old fashioned way of asking who you know can trust...

a) Call a default down the middle
b) Not be an idiot when discussing
c) If Captains are chosen then anyone sending false info should be removed

Just because i quoted you doesn't mean i think your biased or a sausage just relates to what the topic is about
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17:22 Thu 9 Jul 15 (BST)  [Link]  
Cant you do what normal league runners do and use just 1 or 2 honest people rather than 5 in which I feel is not needed .

For me No other captains should involved with any defaults regarding other team points! . only league runner should be doing defaults in my view .


I do not use 5, I have never said how many or who I use.

So it could be any number but as I have said above any default decision that is done I am 100% happy with and more than happy that all issues are directed at me alone to stop any others who are involved getting abuse that is unjustified.
dgeneratio
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17:23 Thu 9 Jul 15 (BST)  [Link]  
Cant you do what normal league runners do and use just 1 or 2 honest people rather than 5 in which I feel is not needed .

For me No other captains should involved with any defaults regarding other team points! . only league runner should be doing defaults in my view .


Keith only does them, first fixture we gave him guidance and this set Zac asked us to comment since Keith was on Vacation but in the end Keith makes the decision
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17:26 Thu 9 Jul 15 (BST)  [Link]  
Quote: I have even used the captains of the teams involved etc. (never have I been asked, so where's the fairness in that?)

I agree with keeping the default panel anonymous but surely shouldn't the Captains from each team be responsible for assisting you with keeping the leagues running as efficiently and smoothly as possible?

Instead just some players or acquaintances you have.


Stop being so precious. Captain's don't need to be involved, and Keith didn't say every captain had been included. The only singular time I had an input in defaults is when I sent in info and gave my opinion that it was our fault, and we should lose it 5 - 1. Can you ever imagine yourself giving such an opinion? lol

Every decision made this season was correct, as Keith operates in an unbiased way. The leagues also ran as "efficiently and smoothly" as any other season I can remember.
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17:32 Thu 9 Jul 15 (BST)  [Link]  
Cant you do what normal league runners do and use just 1 or 2 honest people rather than 5 in which I feel is not needed .

For me No other captains should involved with any defaults regarding other team points! . only league runner should be doing defaults in my view .


I do not use 5, I have never said how many or who I use.

So it could be any number but as I have said above any default decision that is done I am 100% happy with and more than happy that all issues are directed at me alone to stop any others who are involved getting abuse that is unjustified.


zante Dgen, Zac, Sarah and Eri and faust ( I believe )
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17:33 Thu 9 Jul 15 (BST)  [Link]  
Quote: I have even used the captains of the teams involved etc. (never have I been asked, so where's the fairness in that?)

I agree with keeping the default panel anonymous but surely shouldn't the Captains from each team be responsible for assisting you with keeping the leagues running as efficiently and smoothly as possible?

Instead just some players or acquaintances you have.


In FBL if I have a captain admitting his team are at fault and the other team attempted to play game do you not think I should use this then?


Yeah I have no qualms with that as long as it's used as information and the Captain doesn't determine the overall decision. I've even said in some of my default information, that no way have we deserved points without the opposition getting some too. I won't mention which default that were for as that's private but I like to think I'm fair too.

Faust I haven't even said the leagues aren't being run 'efficiently or smoothly' okay fair enough I missed out the word 'maintain/continue' but I knew what I meant.
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17:34 Thu 9 Jul 15 (BST)  [Link]  
Cant you do what normal league runners do and use just 1 or 2 honest people rather than 5 in which I feel is not needed .

For me No other captains should involved with any defaults regarding other team points! . only league runner should be doing defaults in my view .


I do not use 5, I have never said how many or who I use.

So it could be any number but as I have said above any default decision that is done I am 100% happy with and more than happy that all issues are directed at me alone to stop any others who are involved getting abuse that is unjustified.


zante Dgen, Zac, Sarah and Eri and faust ( I believe )


Nope way of the mark I had used them once and the abuse was pointless so I have started using anonymous people and any default score will stop at me and those behind it will be unknown. So any issues you blame me and no one else.
_huts24_
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17:37 Thu 9 Jul 15 (BST)  [Link]  
Cant you do what normal league runners do and use just 1 or 2 honest people rather than 5 in which I feel is not needed .

For me No other captains should involved with any defaults regarding other team points! . only league runner should be doing defaults in my view .


I do not use 5, I have never said how many or who I use.

So it could be any number but as I have said above any default decision that is done I am 100% happy with and more than happy that all issues are directed at me alone to stop any others who are involved getting abuse that is unjustified.


zante Dgen, Zac, Sarah and Eri and faust ( I believe )


Nope way of the mark I had used them once and the abuse was pointless so I have started using anonymous people and any default score will stop at me and those behind it will be unknown. So any issues you blame me and no one else.


hence why I wont be in clans anymore . its all corrupt and only you know whats behind the defaults , sound honest and open , nope .
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17:38 Thu 9 Jul 15 (BST)  [Link]  
Cant you do what normal league runners do and use just 1 or 2 honest people rather than 5 in which I feel is not needed .

For me No other captains should involved with any defaults regarding other team points! . only league runner should be doing defaults in my view .


I do not use 5, I have never said how many or who I use.

So it could be any number but as I have said above any default decision that is done I am 100% happy with and more than happy that all issues are directed at me alone to stop any others who are involved getting abuse that is unjustified.


zante Dgen, Zac, Sarah and Eri and faust ( I believe )


Nope way of the mark I had used them once and the abuse was pointless so I have started using anonymous people and any default score will stop at me and those behind it will be unknown. So any issues you blame me and no one else.


hence why I wont be in clans anymore . its all corrupt and only you know whats behind the defaults , sound honest and open , nope .


No problem at least it is only me is that corrupt and you don't have to go accusing others which suits me fine
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17:42 Thu 9 Jul 15 (BST)  [Link]  
Cant you do what normal league runners do and use just 1 or 2 honest people rather than 5 in which I feel is not needed .

For me No other captains should involved with any defaults regarding other team points! . only league runner should be doing defaults in my view .


I do not use 5, I have never said how many or who I use.

So it could be any number but as I have said above any default decision that is done I am 100% happy with and more than happy that all issues are directed at me alone to stop any others who are involved getting abuse that is unjustified.


zante Dgen, Zac, Sarah and Eri and faust ( I believe )


Nope way of the mark I had used them once and the abuse was pointless so I have started using anonymous people and any default score will stop at me and those behind it will be unknown. So any issues you blame me and no one else.


hence why I wont be in clans anymore . its all corrupt and only you know whats behind the defaults , sound honest and open , nope .


No problem at least it is only me is that corrupt and you don't have to go accusing others which suits me fine


it wont suit you fine when others will lose interest due to the way things are being run . its madness to even think of using any captains regarding other team points in defaults .
dgeneratio
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17:45 Thu 9 Jul 15 (BST)  [Link]  
bye huts, corrupt? what about the time you sent in false info? lol the corrupt one there is you
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17:46 Thu 9 Jul 15 (BST)  [Link]  
I do think a little too much is secretive, I think a little transparency might increase Clans and Captains morale. Trust is the key ingredient here and with secrecy that is only going to encourage the accusations of being bias or unjust even more. Which is not fair on the League Runner neither.

As long as the same set criteria is used to determine the overall result then no one on such a panel should be held accountable for any score. There's no reason why all grievances or disputes cannot be directed solely towards the Head League Runner as you have requested previously.
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17:48 Thu 9 Jul 15 (BST)  [Link]  
bye huts, corrupt? what about the time you sent in false info? lol the corrupt one there is you


false info ? im very honest and all info I send in is 100% truthful .
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17:54 Thu 9 Jul 15 (BST)  [Link]  
I do think a little too much is secretive, I think a little transparency might increase Clans and Captains morale. Trust is the key ingredient here and with secrecy that is only going to encourage the accusations of being bias or unjust even more. Which is not fair on the League Runner neither.

As long as the same set criteria is used to determine the overall result then no one on such a panel should be held accountable for any score. There's no reason why all grievances or disputes cannot be directed solely towards the Head League Runner as you have requested previously.


Agree. but Ash your an outsider and not in keith favourite group , but you already know this .A League runner should never be secretive and should be open and honest to all captains and players . one rule for one but another rule for another it looks to me.

P.S hope you enjoyed your holiday keith
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17:57 Thu 9 Jul 15 (BST)  [Link]  
Outcasts? Lol - I don't wanna be in anyone's favourite group, as long as it's fair and just for all involved, that'll suit me fine.

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17:58 Thu 9 Jul 15 (BST)  [Link]  
I do think a little too much is secretive, I think a little transparency might increase Clans and Captains morale. Trust is the key ingredient here and with secrecy that is only going to encourage the accusations of being bias or unjust even more. Which is not fair on the League Runner neither.

As long as the same set criteria is used to determine the overall result then no one on such a panel should be held accountable for any score. There's no reason why all grievances or disputes cannot be directed solely towards the Head League Runner as you have requested previously.


All the things mentioned get applied anyway so unless you think those who are assisting and myself are corrupt like huts believes there is no reason to know, the only reason you would want to know is so you can go and question their decisions but as it stands you can only question me which most captains don't like doing as they don't always like the reply.

I have had pages of default information for games this season with no actual messages or posts regarding the game itself, now anyone can write a story the only thing defaults can actually be carried out on is fact and effort to get a game played. If there is a series of messages and posts regarding getting a game played it is easy to see who was trying and who wasn't.
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