I do prefer a Completion Bonus (must be higher than a single match so maybe 20) however Keith likes the FBL where the team who wins most matches wins the League. At the moment if a game is one sided theres no incentive for the team who made the effort to sub out. With Completion Bonus its better to play as 20 bonus is better than a default.

In Defaults only way Completion Bonus can be added is if one team could do nothing more to play the game

We tried completion bonuses and the like and they didn't work, it's not enough motivation for the lesser effort teams to get things done and it can mean the higher effort teams have to work even harder to make sure.

In the above example, the team who make the effort are still likely to get the bonus in a default so there isn't the incentive against those who make less effort.

I've come to realize over the years that there isn't much point. The runner (whoever it currently happens to be) is gonna do what he wants anyway. The only runner I remember ever trying to please everyone as far as scoring systems go was pixie dust. But OK, I'll shoot.

"Is 20 point win bonus too much?"
I'm with klien, I don't think there should be any bonus points. The SL and and Cup already score by team matches instead of frames, in other words, the people who like it that way already have what they want.

With 3 leagues and a cup, there's room for everyone's preferred method. SL and cup covers team match wins, FBL covers indiv match wins (with no bonus points. In other words, no compromise with counting team match wins), if FCL would only drop the bonus points/compromise too, it would have frame wins covered.

Every other preferred method has at least one competition running its way, without having to compromise with other methods. Only frame count doesn't. Not fair if you think about it, I think it's simply because the last 2 or 3 runners preferred other methods.

If 0 bonus points isn't an option, then yes, 10 would be much better than 20.

But you and keith already know how I feel about that, and I already know that keith strongly disagrees with me.

Edited at 22:30 Tue 07/07/15 (BST)

I don't.

beenjammin

I agree with a win bonus

we won every game, never lost a game all season and lost out to Pros, so im in favour of a win bonus

however thats clan rules for you

how can a team beat every team and lose a title
easy i guess, because the scoring system was wrong

No team wins every frame, they might win every team match, but I think frame count more accurately shows the best team. Not sure what you mean by "game". A game is whatever you choose it to be.

I'm guessing you prefer team match count...... in that case, good for you! Not sure what you're on about though, you already have it your way in SL, and the Cup!
Me and klien (and many silent others) don't have it our way anywhere! (we almost do in FCL, but the bonus points turn it into yet another competition that counts team match wins)
You want all the leagues to be your way? Or do you think there should be something for everyone?

Edited at 01:36 Wed 08/07/15 (BST)

I think if a team beats another team and beats every team
during a season it should win the league

the match ie

team a v team b
doesn't matter how many frames are won, its a match
the team that wins should win

an analogy
in football (soccer) it doesn't matter how many goals are scored, if a team beats the team its playing that is what matters, not how many goals are scored, like in any other team game

It becomes stale if every league is about team wins, your team didn't win every match though here are results for Fearless Knights.

68-52 LOSS to Uprising
94-26 WIN to FPD
71-49 WIN to Revolution
70-50 WIN to Dynamos
65-55 LOSS to Professionals
67-53 LOSS to Unbeatables
64-56 LOSS to Black Scorpions
70-50 LOSS to Uprising
64-41 LOSS to Professionals
62-43 LOSS to Unbeatables

Bottom line is, you only beat the lesser teams and even lost to Scorpions so your team didn't win every match so never deserved the title.

Professionals 10/10 Wins
Uprising 8/10 Wins
Unbeatables 5/10 Wins

Pros didn't lose a match and Uprising only lost to Pros so it is the correct standings, even Unbeatables won more so next time check your stats

If you mean before though where teams has won all matches and lost league then yes thats why win bonus is introduced.

I do agree with been though but i respect the win bonus and other leagues despite preferring the frame wins format

Knights ??????????????????

my team erm,,, what are you on about
shooters won every game and didn't win the league
fact James

sure I didn't mention Knights

Last season I were accused of bickering when IMO at times I weren't so be good to remember the following or implement it:

Not every disagreement is an argument nor needs to be. Not every disagreement is an invitation for everyone to post their own opinions. Not every disagreement warrants the crap which usually accompanies it.

IF Captains could refrain from posting or broadcasting miniscule/minor disputes then they have no need to escalate. If Captains or Players have any grievances, can they not message their Captains privately? Some I'm afraid post not only to provoke a retaliation but a reaction amongst friends.

Keep disputes via offline and vicer versa. Then Funkypool will begin to be a nice place to be again

Edited at 10:43 Wed 08/07/15 (BST)

Well you never mentioned Shooters either "fact", You just said "We" which i interpreted wrong as thought you meant present time which would be Knights.

In Shooters we had won every game in a single season, never lost a game in that season and lost out to Pros, so i am in favour of a win bonus

If you had said that i would know its past tense and mean Shooters specifically then i wouldn't be able to disagree

I didn't need to explain, I said any team winning all games should win the league, I used and example where it didn't happen

it was pretty obvious I didn't mean Knights
wasn't it ???
it didn't take all the evidence you carefully presented
I'm sure every clan player knew that Knights had lost games

time to move on I guess

68-52 LOSS to Uprising
65-55 LOSS to Professionals
67-53 LOSS to Unbeatables
64-56 LOSS to Black Scorpions

If you look at the scores, it goes to show that had we legend_pot, crazykid, tension stayed, and a few other players instead of signing some players who really weren't good enough then many results could easily have been WINS.

DRAW = 60-60
VS UPRISING (8 points from a draw),
VS PROS ( 5 points from a draw),
VS UNBEATABLES (7 points from a draw)
VS BLACK SCORPIONS (4 points from a draw),

So that to me shows how much we have progressed.

definitely

Yeah you have progressed, the current FBL set vs Pros shows that (still shocked lol), yes agreed but i prefer an active team than a world class team (think faust said the same), with those players maybe you could achieve third ahead of UB but the top 2 i think will always be there.

That's a very unique fact considering Pro's and Shooters were never in a league together

http://www.funkypool.com/thread/18787/the-professionals/1

Do you have a link or know the season so I can correct myself?

Don't tag him zante, he will blame you for losing

Are you conveniently forgetting the 2nd game we played? You lost 50 - 71 to us (21 points), and legend_pot DID play!! He even got to play our noob graftonspile! It's too easy blaming missing players - If we'd had lethal_lures and Imran this season, things would've turned out very different - but it's completely irrelevant.