Whatever Zak entitled to your opinion, but Liverpool fans make me laugh. Qualify for CL for first time in a while and think are Gods gift to purchasing and pretending be the be all and end all.

Will be funny when their title aspirations, CL challenge all end like a game of Jenga, then watch all the new acquisitions do one. United are in a huge transition period and they don't need CL to sign quality (hence LVG's own comments before season: will/could take up to 3 months for Team to play and understand his Philosophy). Only a matter of time before all Liverpool fans wake up from lala land and face reality. Their team will and always will be playing 2nd fiddle to United CL or not.

This season I can't see any team running away with the league;

Southampton outclassed and outplayed Liverpool (deserved draw)
Crystal Palace deserved draw Vs Arsenal
Swansea fully deserved their win vs United
Newcastle are playing not too bad, only 1 behind so far

United WILL sign players and bounce back 100%, they played youth members, Liverpool full team played vs Southampton, lucky scrape a win Just. Ain't worried one bit.

Edited at 17:40 Sun 17/08/14 (BST)

Really it is the United fans that make everyone laugh, such hypocrisy and blind ignorance to their own team. Very few Liverpool fans think that we are the be all and end all. We know we won't be getting the big, big names till we grow further.Yet United are expecting to have that and to be able to challenge for the title, and write Liverpool off. United deserved nothing more than 7th last year, and don't look any more likely to finish higher this season based on yesterday. If you take 3 months to get going in the Prem then you'll effectively be out of the race by the time you hit form. The four teams that mounted a title challenge last season were all at the top the whole season. Some came into it and some faded away at the end, but none of them were off the pace of a top 4 finish.

The new acquisitions are here because they see Liverpool as a club have a plan. United are trying desperately to cling onto the thought that the Prem is theirs to win, while all the players they want pass them by with very few joining. United are in a huge transition period because of the mis-management at the end of the Fergie era and last season. They are struggling to buy CL quality because those players want CL football, you haven't got that so what stops that continuing? If it happened once, it can happen again. United are on a downhill path.

Our title aspirations are well grounded, which is more than can be said of United. Whereas our fans sing at the end of a match, yours leave early

Our team won't always be playing second fiddle to United, It'll be funny to see what happens when 3 months pass and no top 4 challenge appears from United. Do you sack another manager and become the manager merry-go-round of the teams you ridiculed for such actions.

Liverpool weren't outclassed, tactically Rodgers was spot on and won the match. Southampton played well, but didn't have much of an end game apart from Clyne. Liverpool defended bravely and did was United did for many years. Got 3 points from a game they could've got nothing from.

You eat up the garbage that comes out of a club struggling to sign players. One minute you have enough money to break transfer records, next you don't need any more players.

United played youth members because they bought a high maintenance player who got injured and only bought one other player for the first team despite selling many more. You couldn't have not played youth, and the one's breaking through didn't look impressive at all. Liverpool still have a few injuries and are rotating the new players in so we don't know our strongest XI yet.

You've got rid of top quality youth (Pogba), Liverpool have brought it in. Takes a while for things to sink in for United fans.

I'm no man utd fan
But jezzzz Zante man utd are on a downward spiral
First game of the season real lol

Man utd and Liverpool were both out played and out thought
One won one lost
One is going to win something and one will do no better than 7th
Hmmmmmm based on one game
It would appear people are walking on water here

Liverpool haven't replaced Suarez with any real quality
That's a fact
Man utd need to buy at least 3, £30 million pound players and can

Let's wait for a few weeks till the quality to show

Sunderland have Man utd live on sky on Sunday
That will be a fun game I'm sure of that

While I'm on here
Let's remember let's not get personal
It's a football chat thread

Cheers people

So United go from the success of Ferguson, to finishing 7th not bringing the required players in and having another invincible record of theirs lost and they haven't gone downhill? They haven't shown signs of improvement of last season other than pre-season which means nothing more than fitness of the teams. They can't be on an uphill path until they improve, and they haven't improved from last season so far.

I didn't say Liverpool would win anything, so please keep to the truth and don't make things up. Please tell me how based on their performance against Swansea, that they're going to challenge for the top 4. If you actually read what I said, you'd understand that. I expect them to reinforce and improve, but if they don't then they won't get near CL football. Unless you think their performance on Friday was worthy of a CL place?

Yes, and it's a fairly obvious fact. The team is improved, but there's a Suarez shaped hole. One player doesn't make the team, and we have a fairly good record of replacing players. Torres = Carroll + Suarez. Yeah, Carroll wasn't the big success his price tag suggested but he came up with some important goals for us. Would you rather have him and Suarez or Torres though?

Neither team was Outclassed, else there would've been a big margin of victory. Both teams had tough games and needed to compete, Liverpool as a team weren't good enough but there were individuals shining. United didn't really have many.

It was clear they needed those players last season, no reason why that should change with a winning pre-season so why haven't the deals happened already? That's one game of the season gone already and points dropped that they could've avoided dropping if they had the quality brought in already. I'd be surprised if they brought in all the players they needed before Sunday, and without them in then Sunderland have the chance to get a point or even the win.

LVG was talking about how his squad was ready before the Swansea game and talking up a United win. That squad is not ready at all. They certainly can make it ready, but they should've done that weeks ago. Everyone knows who they are targeting, money shouldn't be an issue, so what is wrong?

One good pre-season and they thought they were title challengers again.

Bzzzz zzzzz -


Calm Down! Calm Down! - little reference to Liverpool for ya. You've said your opinion, i've mine.

Safe to say United and Liverpool fans will NEVER agree, I hope Liverpool perform well but obviously not as good as United. Think they've opened the cookie jar a little too soon and will inevitably get stuck when the new acquisitions realize wrong club for them.

I've never said United were the best atm, all i said were they have been linked with many players and should they actually surface then I (being a United fan) will not settle for anything less than 1st.

If i wanted read/hear a sermon I'd have gone Church this morning.

Latest linked played is...Philippe Mexes - jeez it's getting silly!

Sorry, i've not got any London references for a United fan

We will see in a few weeks/months time, I don't see how they can be at the wrong club after 1 league game but United can have 3 months off the pace and the players will be in the right place.

You must rate United that way because you have predicted them winning the league. That's you thinking they are good enough to win, not you hoping they are otherwise it isn't a prediction.

I believe they are and will be capable to win after time yes, the whole process can/will be enhanced and speed up when new acquisitions are made. At the present time, the defence is very suspect, losing rio, Vidic, Evra, Butnner (not that he played) in 1 transfer window and not really replaced ANY is NOT a brilliant way to start. After all the immense speculations and caliber of players linked to possibly joining then the prospect of winning the title increases.

Rubbish start made, only 1/38 no CL to worry about so nothing really else to focus on, that may be to the detriment for the other teams, City, Liverpool, Arsenal, only team who it wont really bother will be Chelsea. I see Chelsea being United's only competitors this season. 7th to 1st is a huge transition and expectancy but when only 1st will do then so be it.

CL has never hindered a title challenge before, when has a team won the league without CL football? It's only an hindrance on a small squad, whereas all the CL teams have a big squad.

I can't see how United can be considered for the title and Liverpool wrote off for the top 4 when Liverpool are in a much better position

man utd need to rebuild im sure they will

but to right them off after one game is silly

Liverpool didn't exactly win easily did they
Arsenal didn't
Man City didn't

its one game, yes id agree they have problems, they need 3 or 4 top players costing around £30 mil each

and without RVP im sure any team will struggle

pre season means nothing, with the demands of CL trust me teams will be found out big time

a question zante, at this moment in time can you see Stirling and Sturidge starting all CL and PL games

if one gets injured which they will playing at least 2 games per week when CL starts

you've got no cover, Ricky Lambert wont score you 20 goals this season

Arsenal is a team to watch this season for that im sure
no one seems to rate them

lets see Chelsea tonight

then let the season really begin in 2 weeks

I think once Markovic is fully fit, he will be the perfect rotation for Sterling, and we still need another marquee signing up top.

It would be nice to think of a Falcao or Cavani, but I am not holding my breath!

Bring in a striker of quality, then I can see us keeping with the top 4 challenge, as I realistically still do not see us winning the league yet (no matter what David James says!), keeping in the top 4 has to be our target, and for that to happen, someone else cannot be in the top 4, and that seems to be United.

As you said craig, arsenal, liverpool and city didnt play well, but they all ground out that victory, united didnt play well and lost.

It seems that the grit and determination which was such a key factor over years at the manchester united, has been lost. Cast your mind back to 1999, when trailing by a goal for most of the game, scored 2 in injury time to win. Would you bank on this team to do the same? Not from what I saw on saturday.

No doubt if united do bring in a raft of world class players, and I mean 6,7 maybe 8 players, they will play well in the second half of the season. But for that many players to gel over night is not going to happen.

It is going to take time for this united squad to go back to its potential, lets just hope that liverpool catch them, and overtake them in terms of league trophies first

Winning easily gets you no more points than tough wins, the easier games will come later in the season for the top teams. You can't based that on one game in the same breath as telling me not to.

I'm not writing United off after one game, I'm writing them off after last season and what they've done do far I the transfer market and preseason. If any other team had brought as few in as United with the amount they let go (and they needed reinforcements before letting players out) then I would say the same. They have bought two good players who can shine and prove themselves, but other than that they have weakened on the side that finished 7th last season. It's too late to be needing so much business.

No they won't be starting all games, we have plenty of cover for Sterling and hopefully bringing in another striker for Sturridge. But the signings needed don't compare. Liverpool need one, United need many. It's easier to implement a striker than many others.

And Ash writes off Liverpool because of how many players we have brought in yet we still have the core of last seasons squad, yet United will need to match the amount of players brought in and get them straight in the first team, whereas Liverpool will slowly rotate them in.

Arsenal are in the same position, they need a striker and have done for a while. I fear they'll have a similar season to last if they don't bring in another, but they should be safe for CL. I'll hold my judgement on Arsenal till they face a big team because that is make or break for them and a big 18 points on offer. Their defence looks suspect in those games, and a few huge losses destroyed their title challenge (not to mention their CL exit which had a negative impact on their league form not a positive one)

I don't write any team off

its common sense to look at Liverpool and say they do need another striker and I wish they would hurry up as well so we can have Borini

personally I think Chelsea, City and Arsenal have 3 spots filled for CL

the other depends on how Utd start playing and Liverpool coping with CL week in week out

love the look of this
had to put it up


18th Stoke City

19th West Ham

20th Newcastle

LOL - Love the 18th spot too!!!

If only the season was one game long, eh Craig lol.

For me, it's between Chelsea and City for the title. Arsenal for 3rd and then between Liverpool, Spurs, Everton and United for the 4th spot. Unless Liverpool can land a top striker to bolster the attack up a bit more (as arguably, that's what made them as successful as they were last season) I genuinely think it could be Spurs or United to take the 4th spot.

Di Maria and Strootman being linked with United now, according to the BBC. Has there been anybody who hasn't been linked to them this summer?