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dgeneratio
dgeneratio
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17:50 Sun 25 Jan 15 (GMT)  [Link]  
I don't think Code of Conduct is pointless as its worked on Snooker for many seasons (a couple have even been banned for vile language).

http://funkysnookerclanleague.weebly.com/90-code-of-conduct.html

Not much their but 99% of the members follow that and everythings okay.

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Regarding the Davy issue, The game should have been continued from 3-0 but Uprising had no issues with it so i think the result should stand.

May i propose next season that subs in matches can be allowed but the game must start from the score (Optional: the team subbing can't score anymore points but thats a disadvantage in FCL).

Also the option of either 3 subs or sub after 12 days with the option of one swap per fixture.

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And can players just stop sniping rather then picking on players, getting bored as a neutral here, I think a mixture of Posting a lot of Subs and Sniping is what are making players leave the league.

Thanks
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18:49 Sun 25 Jan 15 (GMT)  [Link]  
Players also leave when they lose, shall we have a rule on that too?

James your code of conduct is there for the sake of it. In reality it's not worth the pixels it is displayed with!! For example who decides what was a genuine attempt at an escape from a snooker or what happens if it wasnt?

You can only have enforceable rules with potential penalties for not complying.

That is what we have. There are rules and if they are not complied with there is always some form of penalty available if needs be - usually in the form of input to the default or an option to have a game replayed.
dgeneratio
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19:02 Sun 25 Jan 15 (GMT)  [Link]  
Regarding Pushouts its hard to tell but normally a member pms a runner and we watch the game (same with language) then we either warn them or ban them for fixture set (or in some cases permanently).

Regarding Leaving fixtures players has been warned for Deactivating and even refusal to complete matches, even fixture bans are given for multiple violations.

Also if you get 3 defaults in two seasons which are your fault you are warned then fixture bans for anymore violations.

We don't have sub limitations except for Cup (Since match fixing can play a part) and runs fairly well and only subbing when required but on Pool i think we need a cap on substitutions (or make some guidelines)

If a Captain violates that then do what FA do and send Managers to the stand so the Vice has the Captaincy for the next fixture set.

It make be their for the sake of it but Snooker is a lot quieter than Pool and clans are run fairly well (even though Pool has more members) so we must be doing something right

These are just ideas anyway but generally ideas are implemented at end of season but with players leaving and more thinking of leaving, i personally think something should be done soon
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19:08 Sun 25 Jan 15 (GMT)  [Link]  
If you want my honest opinion it is that generally pool is a far more competitive game than snooker. The more competitive something is, or the more competition there is, the more heated it gets. That is a generalisation of course.

Some of what you posted are rules that are enforceable and not part of any sort of code of conduct.
dgeneratio
dgeneratio
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19:14 Sun 25 Jan 15 (GMT)  [Link]  
Yeah Pool has always been competitive, might be that anyone can win and people enjoy that, On Snooks generally the better players win (except Arc and Cup as they are lotteries) as the types are much harder (Orig style pool table please ).

But joking aside i have always considered FCL the best league though as without it, we wouldn't have built our league and without our league, we wouldn't have the FBL.

My personal favourite has always been the Super League as it promotes my style of play
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19:19 Sun 25 Jan 15 (GMT)  [Link]  
Can we make Swaps non reversible please?
Subs are not really an issue, just the calibre of player replaced is. I admit and offer to NOT make any unnecessary substitutions from this post forward. (Can see how are interpreted as 'manipulation' but there is no rule break) ONLY the rules which others see as 'should be implemented'.

So my offer is to hopefully assist in eliminating some of the animosity and hopefully bring back the element of 'randomness' back to the fixtures themselves.

Hope that's a start - hopefully my team will be treated the same as anyone else in time too, with regards to subs, swaps etc - the inconsistency does my head in.



Edited at 17:22 Sun 25/01/15 (GMT)
dgeneratio
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19:24 Sun 25 Jan 15 (GMT)  [Link]  
^ That would be a lovely start, thanks mate

Edit: The posting subs when needed part

Edited at 17:28 Sun 25/01/15 (GMT)
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19:27 Sun 25 Jan 15 (GMT)  [Link]  
Swaps non-reversable

are you having a giraffe.

That will only work in your favour more because the Honest teams will sent in team lists honourably and you won't, then make all the swaps you want for it to be non-tatical as it's in the rule book!

give over ash.
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19:28 Sun 25 Jan 15 (GMT)  [Link]  
For every swap made the opponents have to have the opportunity to respond otherwise one team can establish the games it wants with no redress from the other side.
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19:29 Sun 25 Jan 15 (GMT)  [Link]  
As i said. lol
zantetsukenz
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19:58 Sun 25 Jan 15 (GMT)  [Link]  
Swaps aren't reversible, the other team "reversing" a swap is simply them making the same swap. If it was done in the FBL, the reverse would change the game types.

e.g.

8uk: dgeneratio vs fran_
9us: chris vs zantetsukenz

One clan can swap that to

8uk: chris vs fran_
9us: dgeneratio vs zantetsukenz

If the other clan tried to reverse it, the game would stand as:

8uk: chris vs zantetsukenz
9us: dgeneratio vs fran_.

It's the exact same for FCL/SL except the format played is identical. It's a common misconception that reversing a swap is changing the other teams substitutions, the FBL demonstrates that. Swaps and subs can't be truly reversed or undone, only reacted to with an identical swap.
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19:59 Sun 25 Jan 15 (GMT)  [Link]  
Lol @ The Honest Teams
I'll rephrase: can they not be reversed within a justified reason?
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20:06 Sun 25 Jan 15 (GMT)  [Link]  
Lol @ The Honest Teams
I'll rephrase: can they not be reversed within a justified reason?


Honest in my words on this pool clan league = non tactical teams.

Don't go to your dictionary to digest honest either....there is no need!
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20:13 Sun 25 Jan 15 (GMT)  [Link]  
Lol @ The Honest Teams
I'll rephrase: can they not be reversed within a justified reason?
you made a swap in out last fixture where you took out your other captain who came on to play at our arranged time only to find out he was swapped out. Can we make it you won't swap games without a justifiable reason more like. Eventually it will click that that is the route of the problem in your head.

Ps. What doesn't kill you makes you stronger?? If your losing two of your 'top' players, that's you weaker.
zantetsukenz
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20:15 Sun 25 Jan 15 (GMT)  [Link]  
Lol @ The Honest Teams
I'll rephrase: can they not be reversed within a justified reason?


Basically this says you want one team to be able to make a swap for no reason, but the other team must have a justifiable reason.

So no, same rules for both sides please.
derik_dalton
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00:03 Mon 26 Jan 15 (GMT)  [Link]  
You could have done something. The rules are specifically there to stop someone unilaterally leaving a started game. And following on from that by trying to make a sub, or restarting a game from 0-0, without the agreement of the opponents. I think the rules are already actually strong enough in those particular areas.


personally i dont care about drwaing as a team, cos i know they wont win nowt, what i dont get is u find a validated excuse that it takes someone to go 3 nil down before they realise there on wrong computer
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00:06 Mon 26 Jan 15 (GMT)  [Link]  
Me?

I don't - if someone did it to me I would probably claim the remaining frames as per Rule 3.2.
derik_dalton
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00:10 Mon 26 Jan 15 (GMT)  [Link]  
Me?

I don't - if someone did it to me I would probably claim the remaining frames as per Rule 3.2.


i remember when aggassi were 2 sets to nil down v sampras at wimbledon and he phoned lawn tennis associatin and told em he fetched wrong raquet up so they started again, so yes tour in right, carry on regardless
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00:26 Mon 26 Jan 15 (GMT)  [Link]  
You could have done something. The rules are specifically there to stop someone unilaterally leaving a started game. And following on from that by trying to make a sub, or restarting a game from 0-0, without the agreement of the opponents. I think the rules are already actually strong enough in those particular areas.


personally i dont care about drwaing as a team, cos i know they wont win nowt, what i dont get is u find a validated excuse that it takes someone to go 3 nil down before they realise there on wrong computer


i came 3-0 up but he said he wasn't on his own computer and could not play a normal game. I was happy enough to give him a restart on saturday evening.
faust
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00:28 Mon 26 Jan 15 (GMT)  [Link]  


i came 3-0 up but he said he wasn't on his own computer and could not play a normal game. I was happy enough to give him a restart on saturday evening.


Errr, but he didn't get to give Ash a restart did he? I don't see the relevance?
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