As much as uprising are saying that they accept what has happened, surely the rules should be applied and the game score would be as per the game that started and unless the games are completed by that player the rest of the games would be decided by default?

Yes it is great to have no defaults but the rules are there for a reason and if we do not apply them it means that clans can really do what they want. I am all for anyone playing but if a game starts the frames that are played should stand. Only thing that should then be allowed to happen with a sub is if the player is removed as per the rules.

Just can't see how we can agree to change a rule which is quite clear in black and white.

Uprising have not opposed the sub being made or it being restarted from 0-0.

They quite rightly had that option under the rules as they do stand.

I think giving both teams the option to mutually agree on what happens in the event of an unfinished game, as it is now in the rules, is the right way to go and better than removing that option, forcing the removal of any player unnecessarily or leaving a default as the only options.

And we dont oppose the sub, like i said what we oppose is making pointless subs all the time.

Imran had 3 opponents changed during 24 hours, yesterday there were 2 subs during 20 minutes. Thats what is not normal, or if you think its normal than lets keep it this way.

If you limit subs to a certain number the above wouldnt have happened

Whether it's normal or not is irrelevant. Can it be done or can it not be done? How do you counter it without wholesale change? One sub per 24 hours?

Rules are the only way to sort this. Not any subjective code of what is right or not.

It can be done, but its not normal that it can be done. Rules are there to stop unnormal things from happening and making 3 subs in one day its unnormal. Can it be done if u limit subs to only 3-4 subs per fixture?

Agree in principle. Although I'd like to point out that none of us knew about the 3 - 0 situation and didn't know Davy had been nice enough to let Ash play the next day. As I said, in this particular instance I'm happy for the result to stand, I just think continually using these tactics is only going to see bad feeling snowball throughout the clans.

It can be done. But that would be all your changes in one go.

I don't mind working on rules with everybody but I'm not designing some pointless 'code of conduct'.

A possible start would be the reintroduction of punitive measures against a break of rules. One clan played an ineligible player in all three SL sets (I think). As much as their opponents agreed, there's been nothing to present them reoffending so to speak. I would think the problem is a lack of understanding of the rules in this case, there's no reason the measures can't be aimed towards rectifying this instead of just basic punishment.

Fixture bans for aerial defaulters (I know this is currently irrelevant), etc. There are rules in place, but nothing to prevent breakage reoccurring really.

If we change what has been a very successful system it will improve the singular issue of manipulation of subs/swaps, but we'll lose the plethora of advantages that it offers. I can't see any other system working as well tbh and would just bring different problems.

That means that if any game would have gone to default later, its the fault of the captain who used his 3 subs not efficiently. But at least u wont have 3 subs for each match in the fixture.



I agree with you on this, there are no way how u can put that in the rules.

Of course not everyone is expected to know the rules. It would be naive to expect otherwise. Unfortunately you have to work from the premise that the clan as a whole will know. Uprising clearly had a breakdown in communication over the previous events. Invariably I normally see part played games posted on the threads and update the website accordingly with latest scores.

Three subs that wasn't us phew lol would have made 4 I'm joking - lighten up.

It's a pain in the beep to have to make sub, they will be rendered unnecessary by the opposition especially if the calibre of the replacement is better than the originals. Subs are unlimited, can't believe a word Uprising say to be honest. One minute our players will play anyone didn't realize that comes with all the extra unnecessary baggage of whining and moaning like little girls when that's put to the test.

Subs are unlimited, can be made anytime. If that increases the possibility for a team to be more competitive then embrace it oh hang oh hang on that's another term used by Uprising.

So stop your whining either your players fear no one and can take on the world or accept the fact subs are unlimited and they are the rules.

Simples nothing to stop me keeping a top player back just for substitution purposes neither, mentioned as UBB whinged like little girls when crazykid were subbed in oh so did Pocket Dynamos

Then what do you propose to stop some individuals from making pointless subs whenever they see fit?

Edited at 14:19 Sun 25/01/15 (GMT)

This has been a discussion on subs and rules. Making personal comments against individuals or clans has no place here.

Thank you

I think the main issue here is the fact that Davy gave you the benefit of the doubt at 3-0 down to restart then you make 2 subs straight after it. This is not sportsmanlike behaviour at all

It does when it has an adverse effect due to the topic in discussion. If all the moaning about the subs and swaps didn't happen then would be no reason for the discussion itself. Agree the personal aspect be not required so will refrain from doing so.

Matt mind your own business. No comment. Have said all I will on that matter.

There have been complaints over subbing since they were first allowed. They are as certain as death and taxation!!!

- Inactive members being kept out of fixtures (from the start and subbing in)
- Original fixtures being given a reasonable chance to get played
- Minimal subbing/swapping, so at worst players only have to arrange a match with 2 players
- Rule breaks actually leading to something

Based on the gripes of people who have posted in the last month or so, I think these are the key issues to address and can be done so with simple enough rule should the majority agree.

Ash you really do bring it all on yourself. I get why you do it to give your team the best possible chance of winning etc, and state that you dont want arguments, but when stooping to use the morals of an alleycat then you should expect people to not be happy.

I suggest you dont get on your high horse with me either, as I am expressing MY opinion on a DISCUSSION forum. If you dont want people to comment then dont stoop to using ungentlemanly tactics and you may just start to get respect!