Edited your post because it made no sense, not quick enough though

It does make sense, sorry for typing things on my phone and auto-correct taking hold. It's not the first time nor is it exclusively happening to me. Come back with some substance.

Do you not see how funny you are though? You post a total gibberish sentence followed by an accusation that we speak nonsense

...go ahead, try and make sense of your own post...it's impossible

Lol you doughnut, I just deleted my other comment by mistake...you should have realised after all you quoted it, just had to put that back

Anyways it's been a pleasure as always, you now have your crayons to keep you entertained again...you're welcome

Lol I think he actually thought Joe was joking!!!

Oh, a mistake in posting? Those aren't allowed according to you. Though again you focus more on trying to insult me rather than making an actual contribution to this thread.

Boing fwip.

I know who the 2 are and my question i asked them then and still do - WHY? Not why they wanna leave, more why they want to join you tbh?

You should be worrying more about why they don't want to play for your team tbh?

well theres 3 if u count the 1 that asked me to ask stu

How much time should we wait before no more players decide to leave clans? So far we have had 3 leaving.

Some people dont deserve to be captains and thats not something new, something should be done bout it.

People leave clans all the time, and for the ones I have seen leave in the last day or so this is not the first time.

I will only deal in 'rules'. I have not seen any 'rules' broken in the lead up to any of the tedious arguments on here this season. If I have missed any infringements then feel free to point them out. If the rules arent correct then change them at the end of the season. I think it was actually myself and Keith who were in favour at the end of last season of rule changes re subs and swaps.

The only 'rule' I have seen not followed in the last 24 hours was from both XVth Man and Uprising in respect of a partially completed game. The rules are fairly clear on the options available. It also states that agreement for the option chosen by both clans should be in a verifiable format somewhere to avoid later dispute. I havent seen any such agreement but fortunately there has been no apparent dispute over the end result.

There were only two people I can see that knew about the partially played game. A captain from one side and a player from the other.

Our side have no issue with the game being replayed and aren't going to change our minds on that simply because we lost and to be hones if we did that we are just exploiting the rules and I doubt that XVth man would accept it without kicking up a huge fuss.

We aren't happy that the game was restarted and then a sub was made because it wasn't respectful to Davy and it just took advantage of his god nature, but I think only Ash knew and not lfc12.

I appreciate there has been no issue, however as a clan if you weren't happy then the opportunity was there to oppose it under the rules. Certainly eri was aware and posted twice after the change.

As I said, I will only deal with rules. Pretty much every complaint against everybody regarding clans has no basis on any rule breaking. To try and infer unsporting behaviour in any action or claim any moral high ground during any incident is simply indicative of a problem with the rules, or a personal problem between individuals. I suggest everyone needs to bottom out which it is first. If it's the latter then the only option is for everyone to just put all that rubbish to one side and get on with it or, for anyone that can't, then to stop playing.

I am not against the sub, i am against the fact that someone plays 3 frames decides to play another time and then after, someone from his family becomes ill. I know that with the current rules we cant do anything bout that, but what i am saying is that we need a 'revolution ' on subs for next season.

Not making subs for 12 days is completely useless in my opinions, will damage more other teams than the ones who play tactical. The best thing to do in these cases is to limit subs ( for example 3 per fixture), and any clan can use them for whatever reason. But i doubt anyone would be doing tactical subs in the first week.

I'm not entirely sure that works. I've been playing in my pool league for about 22 years. Whenever an opposing in team acts in a manner we consider "unsportmanlike", they get an absolute ear bashing. Most of the teams that get a reputation for it are vilified by every other team in the league. Still...no-one quits, although some are banned. It's been like that every season since I started, and our pool league is very successful and has many rep players in it.

If you boil it all off, the clan leagues are for people that want to play competitively. In every competition in the World there are codes of conduct that aren't covered by the rules, and if they're broken there is always condemnation.

You could have done something. The rules are specifically there to stop someone unilaterally leaving a started game. And following on from that by trying to make a sub, or restarting a game from 0-0, without the agreement of the opponents. I think the rules are already actually strong enough in those particular areas.

We DON'T need a revolution. The current system has worked very well for seasons and is only being spoiled by one individual, who has seen a way to manipulate the rules and refuses to stop until there is a rule change. If everyone just "played fair" again, everything would be sweet. The problem is that he's now got such a bad reputation for it, even if he made a genuine sub, everyone would believe it was gamesmanship. Boy who cried wolf.

I can't see any other system working as we have a dwindling amount of players on the site, and players that are on are less active then they used to be. The flexibility in the current system works well to guarantee completed fixtures, but only works if everyone plays with a straight bat.

Making unlimited subs and swaps are not against any code of conduct though. Players leaving games having started them is, but that can also be countered by the rules for those occasions where it is felt necessary.

I haven't seen a post stating Eri knew the frames had been played, only saw his two posts acknowledging subs in which I presumed he was unaware that a game was partially played. It certainly not seen it posted on the forum until after Davy played lfc12.

I think the written rules and the unwritten code of conduct are two entirely separate entities.

I don't want to make a fuss about that particular game because I'm pleased it was completed. My players however are pretty angry at the calculated manner in which it came about.

I don't need to re-tread a well worn path on this subject. My feelings are abundantly clear, but I will say that if my clan, and many of the others keep witnessing what we consider to be base tactics - then there will be a reaction on the threads. There always has been since I've been playing. It may be tedious to many, but it's unavoidable when others like myself feel so strongly about the subject.