So therefore you think that as it is currently, it is 'broken'? For whatever reason. Even if you think it was down to one or two individuals. I can assure you what everyone has done has been within the rules as they currently are. If its 'broken' then can it be fixed?

I think the only thing that is wrong is the swaps, i think there should be subs but a limit on 3-4, deadline day unlimited but i think swaps should be gone ... as people see a strong player but not their strongest but stronger than players they havent picked against say a beenjammin, and will swap a stronger player in. Now if there was no swaps and only subs they could sub their current strongish player out and he wouldnt be allowed to sub back in until deadline day.

personally i think that is the way to go

At the moment we have what would be called in football as a rolling subs system so roll on roll off essentially, if that was stopped due to if you were subbed out of a fixture you were only eligible again deadline day that could take away problems, people cant think well we will wait for deadline day as they would almost certainly lose the default.

All my swaps barring 2 were genuinely made to hopefully get matches played sooner, others decided as 'the witch hunt' continued to interpret things their own way. I know I weren't perfect when Captain and I also were aware of my many faults. Rome wasn't built in a day, what I didn't need were the constant crap day in day out, therefore having repercussions on my health condition and the main repercussions were channelled at the team. None of my players deserved the abuse the TEAM received so diffused us from any further provocation.

Define broken? Someone's broken can be another persons 'running fine'. I don't think anything's broken, just change is good within moderation and would be great if more players and Captains alike embraced it. Change is done to hopefully enhance not ruin anything. My mentioning about VC's were not a personal attack were said under the same context as you classifying chapster's idea as ridiculous and ludicrous.

Each to their own how they run their team, not saying one ways better than the other, what I am saying is IF there were a set structure which ALL should abide too then that possibly could help out ALL teams too, not just those who think it don't affect them. (No one is above anyone else!)

Ahh so you were lying in your post earlier then Matty???!!!

Its difficult because swaps are only short forms of subs. Any restrictions have to be absolutely thought through and be watertight.

With subs being unlimited too, then if swaps are removed then the same outcome could still happen. Just without the opposition being aware of their actual intentions.

A player could be subbed out, then sub out the new one to put in the 3rd person they wanted when/or if had the option to swap.

Subs need to be limited too, that's why i think subs bench could be submitted along with the team selections per fixture. Not allowed to alter them, change, manipulate them, once submitted that's the only options.

i dont think swaps are short forms or subs though mate ... sometimes people make a swap for the convenience of getting one game played although it may hinder the other game .. i dont think these are thought through enough in all honesty

What I mean is, is that you can achieve the same as a swap through several subs, if you simply do away with swaps.

I think most realize that when matty said it ain't broke, it was in reference to taking out subs completely.
I too, think that's a bad idea. Some restrictions, done right, might be good though, eliminate some of the concerns people have with tactical subs (subs made in an effort to 'win the indiv match' as opposed to 'get it played'), when it is supposed to be randomly drawn.
I agree that any restrictions need to be carefully thought through.

You miss the point of matty's suggestion, the player subbed out would be rendered ineligible, at least until deadline day. Can't very well sub them back in and make the theoretical swap you're referring to if they're ineligible.

...until deadline day. Then yes you can.

Its an example of why its not straight forward and needs a strict set of guidelines that are easy to follow and cannot be exploited or leave room for anybody's own interpretation.

but what would be the point in waiting until deadline day JUST to sub one player back in you are risking a default if opposition has nobody online .. a default you are 9 times out of 10 going to lose.

About the overall table, why did it record team match results in the played, win, draw, and loss columns?
I assume you just did it like that out of habit, all the other leagues being that way?
It's pointless information isn't it? The team match results mean nothing in this scoring system.
Shouldn't that be indiv matches recorded in those columns?

Edited at 13:55 Thu 02/10/14 (BST)

No I did it because the table producer is an automatic program. To change it on a bespoke basis, for example to show the League split in FCL, takes changes to all of the formulas and programming. It can be done but it is time consuming. However I can do it for the next season.

Its either going to go to default, or in reality, it is going to be played because people are so anti-defaults and the desired outcome has been achieved

Good stuff.

as i said previously you are taking a risk if you are waiting to sub that one player back in as if there is no other players online from the opposition then its default and if there is a difference of trying for 12 days vs 1 day lets say because the original sub was made after day 1 ... then we both know where the default would go.

I agree on the default outcome. However I still bet the majority of clans would complain about the changes but then still play the game!!

And then no doubt complain about the outcome if they lost as well!!

But the changes would please the people that are moaning about too many tactical subs and swaps yet also please the ones that dont want them removed completely.

OK so lets try and work on some decent proposals now and explore and eradicate any holes in them?